Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[ECCOnoob]

23 minutes ago, Brooker11 said:

Very few people work close to home so its more likely to be a longer journey, I wouldn't like to think I was sitting in clothes that I'd worn from a cycle journey all day and I'm sure the rest of the office wouldn't appreciate it either, very few organisations have showers or the room to fit one, with required services and drainage its not even feasible for some funds or not.

Good point and very true.

Add on that even if places are lucky enough to have a shower facility most of the time they only have one or two.  My building has nearly 300 people in it but we still only have one shower.  If even just 10% of the entire workforce decide to cycle in what sort of mayhem and delayed start of the working day is that going to create with such number of people wanting to get changed and showered before they start.  

[Planner1]

33 minutes ago, Brooker11 said:

Very few people work close to home so its more likely to be a longer journey, I wouldn't like to think I was sitting in clothes that I'd worn from a cycle journey all day and I'm sure the rest of the office wouldn't appreciate it either, very few organisations have showers or the room to fit one, with required services and drainage its not even feasible for some funds or not.

The stats in this story say the opposite: https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/sheffield-city-region-announces-plans-for-1000km-of-walking-and-cycling-routes/

64% of car commuter trips are under 5km in South Yorkshire. 40% are 1km or less. 
 

A lot of organisations do make provision for active travel. HSBC’s new offices in the city centre have only a very few parking spaces, but lots of provision for bikes and all the facilities that go with it. They recognise the health benefits to their staff of active travel and also see cost savings for themselves.

[RollingJ]

32 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Like many people I work from home at the moment and that will continue, probably indefinitely.

 

I have walked and cycled to work when I worked within a reasonable travel distance. Mostly I’d drive and park about a mile out and walk the rest of the way. More lately I have used a combination of driving, train and walking as my employer is in another city.

Fair enough, if you can do that, it is a great advantage from a number of angles. Mind you, there are jobs (mine, before I retired for one) that are not possible.

 

When I lived on Park Hill and worked on Savile Street, I walked unless the weather was really bad, but once I moved to the South-West of the city, and my job relocated to Brightside Lane,that was NOT an option, even on a nice day.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The stats in this story say the opposite: https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/sheffield-city-region-announces-plans-for-1000km-of-walking-and-cycling-routes/

64% of car commuter trips are under 5km in South Yorkshire. 40% are 1km or less. 
 

A lot of organisations do make provision for active travel. HSBC’s new offices in the city centre have only a very few parking spaces, but lots of provision for bikes and all the facilities that go with it. They recognise the health benefits to their staff of active travel and also see cost savings for themselves.

You know what they say about statistics.

[Resident]

28 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The stats in this story say the opposite: https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/sheffield-city-region-announces-plans-for-1000km-of-walking-and-cycling-routes/

64% of car commuter trips are under 5km in South Yorkshire. 40% are 1km or less. 
 

A lot of organisations do make provision for active travel. HSBC’s new offices in the city centre have only a very few parking spaces, but lots of provision for bikes and all the facilities that go with it. They recognise the health benefits to their staff of active travel and also see cost savings for themselves.

On my commute to work  (10+ miles) I often see city workers driving into the city and parking up in areas like Farm road, Princess street and other border areas then pulling out a fold out bike for the sub-mile ride into city centre. 

It'll only increase once SCC introduce the CAZ and ultimately include private vehicles (if you think they won't then you're an idiot). Instead of inner city pollution you'll end up with a pollution ring around it. 

 

As it stands it's not fixing the issue it's just displacing it elsewhere. 

 

On a personal level I think spending on cycling infrastructure is a waste unless we have legistlation that mandates it's use where it's available. The most common moan I hear from cylcists is that they're often shared spaces like split pavements and the moan is that they can't go as fast as they want because they have to watch for other users and that's an inconvience. Well I can't go as fast as I want when there's a cyclist in my path, that's an inconvience but I have to endure it, why should a cyclist be any different when it comes to other road/pavement users, what makes them so special that they shouldn't be impeded in any way?

Edited July 7, 2020 by Resident

[forgeman]

If cyclists are to have their own piece of road then why not tax them for the upkeep.

[RollingJ]

11 minutes ago, Resident said:

On my commute to work  (10+ miles) I often see city workers driving into the city and parking up in areas like Farm road, Princess street and other border areas then pulling out a fold out bike for the sub-mile ride into city centre. 

It'll only increase once SCC introduce the CAZ and ultimately include private vehicles (if you think they won't then you're an idiot). Instead of inner city pollution you'll end up with a pollution ring around it. 

 

As it stands it's not fixing the issue it's just displacing it elsewhere. 

 

On a personal level I think spending on cycling infrastructure is a waste unless we have legistlation that mandates it's use where it's available. The most common moan I hear from cylcists is that they're often shared spaces like split pavements and the moan is that they can't go as fast as they want because they have to watch for other users and that's an inconvience. Well I can't go as fast as I want when there's a cyclist in my path, that's an inconvience but I have to endure it, why should a cyclist be any different when it comes to other road/pavement users, what makes them so special that they shouldn't be impeded in any way?

I'm  also wondering why, when a narrow lane with blind bends and signed 'No Pedal Cycles' with a clear sign is regularily used by cyclists who travel on it as if it was a racetrack - further details available via PM if required.

[carosio]

Promoters of cycling (a fine pursuit most of the time) are eager to point to towns like Cambridge or Amsterdam, with smiling commuters pedalling happily along flat streets in bright sunny weather, but here in the North on the edge of the Pennines, especially in winter, it's a different story. Although the last few years have seen mild winters, they can be long and dark with frequent gales, persistant snow, ice and slush compounded with the hilly terrain. Happy commuting.

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

The measures that are being put in are about helping walking and cycling. People can carry quite significant loads on cycles with all sorts of panniers and bags available. There are cargo bikes for shifting more bulky and heavy stuff. 
 

If you actually compare public transport prices in other places,  Sheffield’s come out as being quite reasonable. 

The vast majority can walk or cycle on some journeys, the measures under discussion are making it easier and safer.

 

There is a public transport network as well and there are taxis, private hire, community transport, car clubs, all of which are viable alternatives to the car. Electric scooters for local journeys are something the government are keen to try out here. They work well in other places.

There’s a lot of talk about bubbles at the moment and you and your colleagues appear to be in one of your own.

Shalesmoor /Derek Dooley Way are part of a main arterial road and in someone’s wisdom it has been decided to restrict traffic flow.

The result is additional pollution and frustration for all road vehicles.

Hired e scooters and bikes can ride 3 abreast past a line of standing traffic.Brilliant.100 bikes an hour and a thousand vehicles ,many of them delivery drivers and commercial vehicles.

Its chaos now with the seemingly never ending work,and it’s going to be no better for the mJority when the work is completed.

This is all to satisfy some great vision that is never going to be realised,certainly in a place like Sheffield.

Sure there are more cyclists about than for a few years ,but the majority do it for exercise on the country roads,not to commute.

Its a total farce.

[forgeman]

I can see it now, a company rep turns up with his samples in his panniers, goes into reception and takes off his cycle clips and helmet. Informs the receptionist he has an appointment with the buyer. What will they think?

[nightrider]

31 minutes ago, forgeman said:

If cyclists are to have their own piece of road then why not tax them for the upkeep.

We already do.