Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[the_bloke]

33 minutes ago, altus said:

7 decades of focusing infrastructure development on motorists is a big part of what's made that possible. 7 decades of trying to redress that imbalance, together with things like the relatively recent adoption of using IT to enable home working, will mean that less people will feel the need to commute by car.

I'm seeing the opposite. Now people are returning to the office for only a few days a week, it's cheaper to come into work by car than it was before (parking costs are less) and they want to feel they are getting use out of the car instead of leaving it on the drive all week.

[altus]

4 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

I'm seeing the opposite. Now people are returning to the office for only a few days a week, it's cheaper to come into work by car than it was before (parking costs are less) and they want to feel they are getting use out of the car instead of leaving it on the drive all week.

People going in to work 2 days a week instead of 5 is still a 60% drop in their car use for commuting. Even if works out a bit less overall because they don't do things like go to the supermarket on the way home, it's still a big reduction.

[darylslinn]

I wish i was fortunate to only have to commute 2 days out of 5, however the factory where I and over 400 other people can't really take the machinery home with them.
My 14 mile journey to work for 7am in the morning is not one that I could possibly cycle and neither would the mostly uphill journey back home.
A lot of factories still operate along the A61 corridor so now businesses are back then I can't see how a cycling plan would help... especially the logistics of moving manufactured goods in and out of the city.

[AndrewC]

1 hour ago, darylslinn said:

I wish i was fortunate to only have to commute 2 days out of 5, however the factory where I and over 400 other people can't really take the machinery home with them.
My 14 mile journey to work for 7am in the morning is not one that I could possibly cycle and neither would the mostly uphill journey back home.
A lot of factories still operate along the A61 corridor so now businesses are back then I can't see how a cycling plan would help... especially the logistics of moving manufactured goods in and out of the city.

Perhaps cycling and public transport improvements along the A61 aren't as much about getting you out of your car as they are about getting less necessary car use out of the way, so those who do need the roads (people working unsocial hours, travelling long distance, people with mobility issues, lorries with heavy loads etc) have less congestion to deal with? 

 

Perhaps it's not for you, personally, but you shouldn't belittle infrastructure which will help those who can make the shift to active travel & public transport - every person off the road who doesn't really need to use their car is leaving more space for those who really do.

 

[BoroB]

6 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

Perhaps cycling and public transport improvements along the A61 aren't as much about getting you out of your car as they are about getting less necessary car use out of the way, so those who do need the roads (people working unsocial hours, travelling long distance, people with mobility issues, lorries with heavy loads etc) have less congestion to deal with? 

 

Perhaps it's not for you, personally, but you shouldn't belittle infrastructure which will help those who can make the shift to active travel & public transport - every person off the road who doesn't really need to use their car is leaving more space for those who really do.

 

If the council want to remove 'less necessary car use', maybe they should not belittle the citys road users by reducing a main ring road's capacity by 50%, a road they had recently spent millions of pounds on, with little notice and no consultation?

 

A decision they then performed the mother of all u turns on after they had created weeks of chaos in the area.

 

 

[Bargepole23]

10 hours ago, BoroB said:

If the council want to remove 'less necessary car use', maybe they should not belittle the citys road users by reducing a main ring road's capacity by 50%, a road they had recently spent millions of pounds on, with little notice and no consultation?

 

A decision they then performed the mother of all u turns on after they had created weeks of chaos in the area.

 

 

Did you feel belittled by a reduction in road capacity? Its just a road.

[Bargepole23]

12 hours ago, darylslinn said:

I wish i was fortunate to only have to commute 2 days out of 5, however the factory where I and over 400 other people can't really take the machinery home with them.
My 14 mile journey to work for 7am in the morning is not one that I could possibly cycle and neither would the mostly uphill journey back home.
A lot of factories still operate along the A61 corridor so now businesses are back then I can't see how a cycling plan would help... especially the logistics of moving manufactured goods in and out of the city.

Who is suggesting the use of bicycles for bulk transport of goods over long distances and/or in and out of cities? Nobody. Nor is anybody suggesting that everyone can work at home full time or part time.

 

Some, not all, could reduce the impact of their commute. They are the people we should be encouraging to do so by better infrastructure and where required, improvements to public transport.

[BoroB]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

Did you feel belittled by a reduction in road capacity? Its just a road.

And that seems to be the attitude that the 'planners' took when implementing the scheme.

 

Road users?

 

They're just people using a road we've just spent millions on improving, so that the infrastructure in a congested area works better, so lets spend ten of thousands of pounds to  cut capacity without telling them or asking for their input.

 

And then they wonder why Shalesmoor is bumper to bumper for several hours a day more than it was before.

 

Councils don't admit when they got it wrong and definitely don't like u turns.

 

With this scheme the workmen who carried out the work to implement it barely had time to unload their wagons before they were back out reversing the work.

 

Yeah it's just a road, but one that runs a lot better than it did when the changes were put in place.