Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, BoroB said:

An improvement to a traffic system should lead to free flowing traffic and non-idling cars. 

Says who?

 

Motorists are not the only highway users. This improvement is for non-motorised modes.

 

In a constrained network, you can't promote a step change in travel mode choice without inconveniencing some types of highway user.

 

It's fairly obvious that many car drivers will not change mode unless they are made to. Making car drivers trips slower, more difficult and more costly are all tools of demand management and that is what you are seeing here. It is policy at national government and local government levels to get huge increases in the numbers of people walking and cycling over coming years. That won't be achieved by just letting car drivers continue as normal.

 

The government and local councils have seen big increases in cycling and walking in lockdown and they want to  keep those people travelling sustainably as we come out of lockdown. The government are telling local councils to introduce measures to facilitate this and are giving them the money to do it. Thats why you are seeing measures like this emerging in all towns and cities. If the policy aims are to be delivered, its just the start and you are going to see a lot more.

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, Lancs_Lad said:

ha ha I see Planner 1 hasn't got involved in this yet! Penistone Road cycle track into town is largely ignored by cyclists as they still tend to use the road rather than the cycle track.  And what about the wasted thousands when they introduced the cycle track down near Costco narrowing the road and removing parking for the workers in the area. In the time it's been done I don't think I'm up to double figures yet with the cyclists  I've seen that use it (I'm also a cyclist myself and advocate cycle lanes where possible and more importantly useful).

Why do you think that is? Because it's not fit for purpose.

11 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Because they are the ones creating all these controversial changes and are the subject of this thread.

 

It is also plainly obvious that plenty within the council implementing these policies are complete hypocrites and will not embrace them themselves.

 

 

And you are the one creating congestion and pollution, or do you choose to absolve yourself of responsibility for that?

[simonr]

36 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Ah, that old chestnut. The emergency services have sirens and flashing lights, drivers get out of their way and they manage to get around just fine even at peak traffic times. Emergency services are consulted on changes to the highway network and their views are taken seriously.

And how do drivers get out of the way when the cycle lane is taking up most of the road  where do they pull over too? It's gridlock, yet another ill thought out disaster from a local council.

 

This bodge job of a cycle lane will hardly be used, it will get full of stones, glass ect like the rest, who wants a puncture on the way to work. If you want to promote cycling on this stretch why not scrap the existing small cycle lane and reduce the speed limit to 20mph which would make road cycling safer and keep traffic flowing.

 

 

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[MICK BADGER]

3 hours ago, Magneteer said:

It'll be interesting to see how the emergency vehicles are going to fare in all this. They've no chance, especially at rush hour, ( which will last all day!). Can't see it  lastng too long personally. Someone at the council will eventually press the common sense button.............won't they?

no the button broke years ago and never got replaced

[Planner1]

8 minutes ago, simonr said:

It's gridlock, yet another ill thought out disaster from a local council.

 

Keeping a sense of proportion I see.

 

From the reports I've seen, it was a queue on one stretch of road. Did it affect the rest of the city centre? Hardly a "disaster", more like a mild inconvenience for some drivers. 

[forgeman]

Would it not have been a better idea to use part of the pathway to create a cycle lane rather than one whole lane of the road. That way everyone would be happy(ish). Even on Penistone road the cycle lane is intermittent therefore cyclists do use the main highway rather than their cycle lane. This in turn slows traffic down as the driver has to pass a cyclist  at a safe distance and cannot do this due to traffic in the outside lane.

4 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Keeping a sense of proportion I see.

 

From the reports I've seen, it was a queue on one stretch of road. Did it affect the rest of the city centre? Hardly a "disaster", more like a mild inconvenience for some drivers. 

I doubt people were trying to access the city centre, just trying to get home.

[Blue Day]

7 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Keeping a sense of proportion I see.

 

From the reports I've seen, it was a queue on one stretch of road. Did it affect the rest of the city centre? Hardly a "disaster", more like a mild inconvenience for some drivers. 

The queue mid afternoon down Netherthorpe? That was all the way up to the roundabout. That’s a very busy road and it goes to one lane now at the bottom for people heading to hillsborough 

[Planner1]

32 minutes ago, forgeman said:

Would it not have been a better idea to use part of the pathway to create a cycle lane rather than one whole lane of the road. That way everyone would be happy(ish).

That's pretty much what was in place on Penistone Rd already and it doesn't appear to meet the aspirations of anyone particularity well. If you are catering for mass cycling, what is needed is a wide cycle lane which is separate from the footway and physically separated from motorised traffic.

 

37 minutes ago, Blue Day said:

The queue mid afternoon down Netherthorpe? That was all the way up to the roundabout. That’s a very busy road and it goes to one lane now at the bottom for people heading to hillsborough 

Did it gridlock the city?

[Blue Day]

4 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

That's pretty much what was in place on Penistone Rd already and it doesn't appear to meet the aspirations of anyone particularity well. If you are catering for mass cycling, what is needed is a wide cycle lane which is separate from the footway and physically separated from motorised traffic.

 

Did it gridlock the city?

I’ve no idea, I never said it did. Is that how we judge traffic queuing? If it doesn’t gridlock the city then it’s ok?

[RollingJ]

3 minutes ago, Blue Day said:

I’ve no idea, I never said it did. Is that how we judge traffic queuing? If it doesn’t gridlock the city then it’s ok?

According to some, @Blue Day -yes.

 

Even though it probably caused chaos in the surrounding area.

Edited July 7, 2020 by RollingJ