Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[nightrider]

12 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Funny that because in nearly 40 years of living in this city and dealing with the council in various different guises personally and professionally I have never once seen a contractor, support worker, social worker, or official officer arrive at my home or office on a bike.

 

I would suggest that such instruction clearly needs to be pushed a bit more.  In fact being as a civil service usually record everything I'll be very interested to see if there are stats available as to how many employees regularly claim bicycle mileage back for their official travel.  

 

No they are not "suggesting" that every journey should by bicycle.  They wouldn't have the balls to come out with that.  They are instead going for the the cowardly passive aggressive approach by simply making increasingly difficult, and let's face it offputting, for drivers to get in and out of the city.   

 

The frustrating thing is I used to support the council quite a lot on this forum.  When there was lots of stock whining about lack of car parking or lots of lazy comparisons between us and leeds I would regularly contribute to defend..... now the more I go in and out and the more of these schemes get implemented the less I can defend.

 

The anti car agenda has well and truly taken hold and now covid is being used as the excuse for even more changes. 

Sheffield is a major pollution hot spot in the UK:

 

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/only-sheffield-worse-leeds-whole-16196277

 

From that point of view less car use would be a good thing

[Guest makapaka]

This is a joke by the way - spent 18 months watching a no doubt very expensive road alteration take place and regularly queuing through it.

 

only to find now it’s complete they’ve removed an entire lane blocked off with red and whites and queuing again.

 

stupid and disproportionate response. 

[Blue Day]

12 minutes ago, nightrider said:

Sheffield is a major pollution hot spot in the UK:

 

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/only-sheffield-worse-leeds-whole-16196277

 

From that point of view less car use would be a good thing

Agreed. It would. 
 

However cars stuck in queues will add to the pollution, no? 

[Planner1]

4 minutes ago, Blue Day said:

Agreed. It would. 
 

However cars stuck in queues will add to the pollution, no? 

Drivers stuck in a queue have the opportunity to think whether they could have walked or cycled quicker.

 

According to this article: https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/sheffield-city-region-announces-plans-for-1000km-of-walking-and-cycling-routes/ 40% of car commuting trips are 1km or less and 64% are under 5km. If a goodly proportion of those drivers chose to walk or cycle, there would be fewer problems for everyone.

 

 

[Blue Day]

1 minute ago, Planner1 said:

Drivers stuck in a queue have the opportunity to think whether they could have walked or cycled quicker.

 

According to this article: https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/sheffield-city-region-announces-plans-for-1000km-of-walking-and-cycling-routes/ 40% of car commuting trips are 1km or less and 64% are under 5km. If a goodly proportion of those drivers chose to walk or cycle, there would be fewer problems for everyone.

 

 

Ok. I get ya. 
 

Keep ploughing on with the same message. It’s good to have another side to the argument even tho it seems not many agree. 
 

Walk or cycle eh? In Britain. For up to 3 miles each way. 
 

Hmmmmm

[BobOfRoth]

2 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Ah, that old chestnut. The emergency services have sirens and flashing lights, drivers get out of their way and they manage to get around just fine even at peak traffic times. Emergency services are consulted on changes to the highway network and their views are taken seriously.

That old chestnut you say..

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=787930928278347

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by BobOfRoth

[Planner1]

37 minutes ago, Blue Day said:

I’ve no idea, I never said it did.

Post #33 did. 
 

If traffic is just queuing on one section of road and it doesn’t affect the wider highway network, I wouldn’t describe it as a major problem.

 

When any major change is introduced, it tends to be a bit chaotic on the first day or two, then drivers reroute if there’s a quicker way and the problems often lessen. 

[forgeman]

7 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Post #33 did. 
 

If traffic is just queuing on one section of road and it doesn’t affect the wider highway network, I wouldn’t describe it as a major problem.

 

When any major change is introduced, it tends to be a bit chaotic on the first day or two, then drivers reroute if there’s a quicker way and the problems often lessen. 

Only to create problems where there were none before

[Planner1]

7 minutes ago, Blue Day said:

Ok. I get ya. 
 

Keep ploughing on with the same message. It’s good to have another side to the argument even tho it seems not many agree. 
 

Walk or cycle eh? In Britain. For up to 3 miles each way. 
 

Hmmmmm

Which is exactly what I’ve been saying. Car drivers won’t stop using the car unless you make them.

 

3 miles isn’t that far really. How long does it take people to do that kind of distance into the city centre at peak times by car (including parking the car and walking to your final destination)? You can walk that distance in sub 40 mins and cycle it in about 15 mins. Cycling is the quickest form of urban transport.

[nightrider]

5 minutes ago, forgeman said:

Only to create problems where there were none before

Well, let's see.

 

All these same arguments were made by car users in the Netherlands in the 1970s. And look at them now.

 

btw I'm a car user, but would rather cycle. I don't because of the dangers posed by other car users. So I would be happy if we could get more people to move over to cycling and have proper segregated cycle lanes.

Edited July 7, 2020 by nightrider