Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[onewheeldave]

9 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

Or maybe they have gone elsewhere instead making Sheffield lose out.

Maybe they have, and, in some ways Sheffield has lost out [business] in the short term. In others it has gained [clean air]. If this progress continues, who knows how businesses may be created due directly to the increase in cycling, the better air quality etc.

[creweblade]

Interestingly I wrote to all 3 of my local (labour) councillors and asked their opinions on the shalesmoor scheme - 2 replied to say they have sent my request onto Mr Bob Johnson and asked him to reply - surprise surprise no response and the other councillor hasn't replied

Also wrote to my mp Clive Betts who to be fair has replied and said he too was surprised by this scheme in this place and was contacting the council for their views/comments 

 

I'm not holding out huge hope but I still hold out that eventually the council will realise what a mess they have made of it but there again this is the same council that on the day before the pubs reopened told people not to go in them because covid 19 was hiding in the pubs waiting for them - total numptys

[alchemist]

6 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Maybe they have, and, in some ways Sheffield has lost out [business] in the short term. In others it has gained [clean air]. If this progress continues, who knows how businesses may be created due directly to the increase in cycling, the better air quality etc.

You keep harping on about an increase in cycling due to this perfection in cycling lanes but do you have any actual proof, or is it mere conjecture?  Or dont you do conjecture either?

 

BTW, what businesses would be created by increased cycling and clean air?  BESIDES a couple more cycling accessories shops?

 

How many cyclists ARE there in the north of Sheffield that will now use this route all year round??   So far the most ive seen mentioned on this forum are 5.  Do they use it every day?  

[Planner1]

32 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

As I clearly stated in a previous comment I do not have direct evidence, but ask yourself if you were running (or trying to run) a business in that area would you be welcoming this " improvement"?

I would be.

 

Theres evidence that retail sales can increase where walking and cycling improvements are made. And it appears that people who walk and cycle visit more often than drivers and spend more overall. See this study: http://content.tfl.gov.uk/walking-cycling-economic-benefits-summary-pack.pdf

[onewheeldave]

2 minutes ago, alchemist said:

You keep harping on about an increase in cycling due to this perfection in cycling lanes but do you have any actual proof, or is it mere conjecture?  Or dont you do conjecture either?

 

  

The main reason people don't cycle in Sheffield is that it isn't safe. When it is safe, it follows that those people who want to cycle but don't because it isn't safe, will then cycle.

 

Look at Amsterdam- it is safe to cycle there, and, as a direct consequence, lots of the population cycle.

5 minutes ago, alchemist said:

 

 

BTW, what businesses would be created by increased cycling and clean air?  BESIDES a couple more cycling accessories shops?

 

  

If a third or quarter or half of all traffic becomes cycles, that's way more than a couple of cycle accessory shops.

 

And motorists who switch completely from their cash gobbling cars [road tax, fuel, insurance, repairs, future environmental taxes and many more] to cycling are going to have a huge amount of cash to invest in their new hobby and transport.

8 minutes ago, alchemist said:

 

 

How many cyclists ARE there in the north of Sheffield that will now use this route all year round??   So far the most ive seen mentioned on this forum are 5.  Do they use it every day?  

Most cyclists avoid the area- it's an unsafe and unpleasant road. Until now of course.

[Planner1]

33 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

Or maybe they have gone elsewhere instead making Sheffield lose out.

How many do you really think that is? Hardly any I’d guess.

[Planner1]

42 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

 

Emissions may well be reduced in this immediate area. They may well rise on the rat runs and in the other towns and cities where people take their business to.

Many people will just take an alternate route to avoid this area. That doesn’t necessarily involve “rat runs”, it may mean they just use an alternate main road route. When I want to go up the Parkway, I come down to the Inner Ring Road and could go through Shalesmoor, but equally could go via St Mary’s and Sheaf St. 

[RJRB]

43 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Many people will just take an alternate route to avoid this area. That doesn’t necessarily involve “rat runs”, it may mean they just use an alternate main road route. When I want to go up the Parkway, I come down to the Inner Ring Road and could go through Shalesmoor, but equally could go via St Mary’s and Sheaf St. 

But it’s like squeezing a ballon.

Constrict one end and it impacts elsewhere.

“Rat runs “have been increasingly blocked ,some sensibly and others questionable to some.

However one always assumed that this was done to ensure traffic was directed on to ring roads and the major arterial routes.

To then restrict an arterial road is illogical.

I can see that there are some idealists who would wish to vastly reduce car journeys overnight.

However,as we stand over 80% of the population have access to a car.Some may also be pedestrians,cyclists or public transport users at times and for particular reasons.

The main considerations are usually convenience and expense.

What the answer is I don’t know but this scheme wasn’t it.

Didnt you like my idea of a cycle lane from Moorfoot to Commercial Street.

 

[Baron99]

8 hours ago, Resident said:

Just buy a body-cam. Saves you looking like a complete tit in a helmet. 

Think I'll spend the money on a cattle prod instead.  It'll also come in handy to remind people to social distance. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Baron99

[ECCOnoob]

3 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

Maybe they have, and, in some ways Sheffield has lost out [business] in the short term. In others it has gained [clean air]. If this progress continues, who knows how businesses may be created due directly to the increase in cycling, the better air quality etc.

Yeah well when 'clean air' generates taxes and creates jobs and is a contributor to the economy let me know

 

Until that day comes, no matter how much you try and spin it - the city losing out on business is not a good thing.