Sheff Council - Shalesmoor Road Layout

[Resident]

49 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Based on that information, it is certainly questionable.

Also makes other road closures around the city questionable too, such as Pinstone St. Bus companies were only told 7 days before it happened. As I read above that should have been 21 days, Am I correct?

[darylslinn]

23 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Or just perhaps you are.

I think that most motorists do appreciate the tools available in the “modern transport planners tool kits.”

As you said earlier there is no grand plan for the future for when funds are made available so we have a series of uncoordinated schemes which solve few problems and create others.

Minimally restricted arterial roads may not be sacrosanct but they are and will remain essential for years to come.

 

 

I sometimes think that comments such as 'Modern Transport Planners Tool Kits' are condescending in so much as they know what they are doing is right and we mere users know nothing and are wrong.

Not only does the cycle lane not seem to work properly for either cycle users (no using it) or  motor vehicle users but it looks an absolute mess, visually.... I wouldn't want to invest to either live or conduct a business in that area now.

 

[alchemist]

12 hours ago, Weredoomed said:

And Amsterdam is flat. Please now try to convince me that Sheffield is equally flat. And don't try to deflect by saying some parts of the city are and some journeys can thus be flat. It's damned difficult to move around this city without coming across at least one steep hill. So to quote Amsterdam is a spurious example.

The cycle apologists keep telling us that hills dont matter as cycles have gears so hills are simple!!

8 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

 

Strawman time again

 

No-one is, or has, tried to convince you that Sheffield is flat.

 

Neither has anyone quoted Amsterdam because it is flat- Amsterdam has been mentioned because it has gone from being a city dangerous for cyclists [with a correspongingly low numner of cyclists] to a place with an outstanding network of cycle routes and a very high number of cyclists [including most motorists].

 

Sheffield hills are only a problem for those without appropriate gears- with a cycle with low gears they are easy to get up- I can manage any hill in Sheffield even when I am not fit, because I have a bike with low gears.

 

The reason for the low number of cyclists in Sheffield is that the roads are dangerous, due to the excessive motor traffic. As previously mentioned, surveys have been done and the main reason given by people who would like to cycle but don't, is that the roads are too dangerous, not issues with hills.

 

 

And as if by magic

 

Are all these frightened cyclists in the north of the city and desperate to ride down Shalesmoor ? The only thing stopping them is the traffic??  

 

Still wondering how many this is, the last figure was thousands, which quite frankly I find hard to believe!!!

Edited July 18, 2020 by alchemist

[RJRB]

1 minute ago, alchemist said:

The cycle apologists keep telling us that hills dont matter as cycles have gears so hills are simple!!

That is not my experience.

Somewhat easier and necessary,but the extra number of revolutions takes its toll on the legs.

A bit depressing as pedestrians overtake you.

 

 

[Sheffield Monks]

I've been on there this morning as I had to go to Hillsborough. I can't imagine how bad it is a rush hour.

 

Guess how many cyclists I saw using the cycle lane from Shalesmoor to Penistone Road? None. 

 

However there were a lot of cars travelling in both directions. 

[alchemist]

1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

?????!!!

Others would see that as what it is.

I suspect that no one would be able to see anything!!

3 minutes ago, Sheffield Monks said:

I've been on there this morning as I had to go to Hillsborough. I can't imagine how bad it is a rush hour.

 

Guess how many cyclists I saw using the cycle lane from Shalesmoor to Penistone Road? None. 

 

However there were a lot of cars travelling in both directions. 

What??  Not even onewheel???  Surely not!!!!

[RollingJ]

39 minutes ago, Resident said:

Also makes other road closures around the city questionable too, such as Pinstone St. Bus companies were only told 7 days before it happened. As I read above that should have been 21 days, Am I correct?

That is how I read it too, Resident - but as it appears it didn't happen, maybe we're all hallucinating?

[Fudbeer]

Much as I would love to see cycling in Sheffield as popular as it is in Amsterdam its just not going to happen.Even though with modern bikes hills are nowhere as hard as people think the majority of people see a hill and think no way am I cycling up that every day!

 

Also although not exactly California there climate is not as harsh  as ours when I have been there anyway. 

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, darylslinn said:

I sometimes think that comments such as 'Modern Transport Planners Tool Kits' are condescending in so much as they know what they are doing is right and we mere users know nothing and are wrong.

Not only does the cycle lane not seem to work properly for either cycle users (no using it) or  motor vehicle users but it looks an absolute mess, visually.... I wouldn't want to invest to either live or conduct a business in that area now.

 

How is it condescending to know what tools are available to you in your profession?

 

How those tools are deployed are decisions for politicians and there is of course stakeholder engagement to inform decisions. 
 

The politicians have to take decisions for the greater good. Because no matter what they decide, someone is going to be unhappy, the decision makers are accountable at the ballot box.
 

What exactly do you expect a temporary installation to look like? 

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, Resident said:

Also makes other road closures around the city questionable too, such as Pinstone St. Bus companies were only told 7 days before it happened. As I read above that should have been 21 days, Am I correct?

This is a more useful part of the government announcement about making it easier for councils to introduce these temporary measures. It means the council can advertise the Emergency Traffic Regulation Order (ETRO) digitally 7 days in advance of the measures going in and then publish the order again 14 days later either in the local newspaper or digitally:

 

The amendments speed up making emergency Traffic Orders that may be needed to, for example, widen pavements or install cycle lanes. The main change is to the means of advertising the order, which can be via digital means. A second order still needs to be published for information 14 days later in a newspaper, where these are available, or via digital media.