Planner1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Weredoomed said: Emergency? Yes, the government call the funding pot the "Emergency Active Travel Fund" and the Council have carried out the works within the timescales that the government require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I really don’t care whose idea it was. Where was the person,or persons who should have raised the myriad of arguments and foreseen the consequences. A few years ago the public was asked to nominate a road traffic scheme which was counterproductive. The winner was a ridiculous left hand only turn on Owlerton Green,which was subsequently altered. This scheme would be the current winner. 3 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Yes, the government call the funding pot the "Emergency Active Travel Fund" and the Council have carried out the works within the timescales that the government require. And grasped the available money for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weredoomed Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RJRB said: I really don’t care whose idea it was. Where was the person,or persons who should have raised the myriad of arguments and foreseen the consequences. A few years ago the public was asked to nominate a road traffic scheme which was counterproductive. The winner was a ridiculous left hand only turn on Owlerton Green,which was subsequently altered. This scheme would be the current winner. Stop asking awkward questions. However extremely pertinent they are. Someone might think SCC didn't have a clue, or care, what they were doing, at both officer and elected member level. Edited July 20, 2020 by Weredoomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin C Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Planner1 may be retired. Although I don't agree with everything he posts I always welcome the insight he provides - sometimes in the face of considerable criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayley1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Planner1 said: The same as on any constrained section of carriageway at busy times, if the drivers can't sort it out themselves, the police get involved to direct traffic, get recovery to the stranded vehicle and get it removed. The Police work closely with the Council and their control room can access the Council's traffic cameras, so they can see the wider picture and direct officers as necessary. You can get the same issue at roadworks or other constrained points on the network. If the Police or emergency services had a problem with the layout at Shalesmoor, they would have told the Council (they are statutory consultees). The Cabinet Member responsible for this scheme recently addressed this point in a statement , he said they had not received any complaints from the emergency services. No complaints from the Emergency services?...imagine if you or your loved one was waiting on this ambulance. I saw this on the news last week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-south-yorkshire-53340498/new-sheffield-cycle-lane-slows-ambulance-s-journey And newspapers (obviously the star, but I don't need to add that link). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ambulance-blocked-bike-lane-sheffield-a9609596.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hayley1 said: ...imagine if you or your loved one was waiting on this ambulance. Imagine if the ambulance had a car free lane to use in an emergency. Loved ones will be very grateful for the cycle (and emergency ambulance) lane when it arrives quickly at rush hour. Edited July 20, 2020 by Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayley1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tony said: Imagine if the ambulance had a car free lane to use in an emergency. Loved ones will be very grateful for the cycle (and emergency ambulance) lane when it arrives quickly at rush hour. But the ambulance had to get to that point, already clogged up because the traffic couldn't flow because of the car free, empty lane. Then had to physically move the barrier to gain access to this empty lane....indeed EMPTY lane...because they are closed off at the entrance to prevent any vehicle larger than a bike through. It's not even permitting emergency vehicles to gain normal access. I have seen one solitary bike rider use that lane...and that was during rush hour (I use this route twice daily both in and out of the city)...and he used the red area, not the whole lane as intended. My original point stands regarding an alternative solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hayley1 said: No complaints from the Emergency services?...imagine if you or your loved one was waiting on this ambulance. I saw this on the news last week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-south-yorkshire-53340498/new-sheffield-cycle-lane-slows-ambulance-s-journey And newspapers (obviously the star, but I don't need to add that link). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ambulance-blocked-bike-lane-sheffield-a9609596.html And? The Ambulance service clearly didn't make any complaint. They are pragmatic enough to understand that occasionally their vehicles might get held up in traffic. The quote from their spokesperson says exactly that. They also learn very quickly where hold-ups occur and route a different way if it's quicker. Expecting the emergency services to have unrestricted access across all the highway network at all times is unrealistic. They know this and don't expect it, so neither should you. 2 hours ago, Hayley1 said: But the ambulance had to get to that point, already clogged up because the traffic couldn't flow because of the car free, empty lane. Then had to physically move the barrier to gain access to this empty lane....indeed EMPTY lane...because they are closed off at the entrance to prevent any vehicle larger than a bike through. It's not even permitting emergency vehicles to gain normal access. That's because due to the "emergency" / temporary nature of the scheme, temporary traffic management is in place, just like at roadworks. If the lane was made permanent, it would be enforced by camera so wouldn't need the barriers. Emergency services face similar situations on a daily basis and are well used to dealing with them. It isn't an issue for them so why is it for you? Edited July 20, 2020 by Planner1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Tony said: Imagine if the ambulance had a car free lane to use in an emergency. Loved ones will be very grateful for the cycle (and emergency ambulance) lane when it arrives quickly at rush hour. You mean that car free lane that the ambulance couldn't get into? Yep, VERY useful THAT was!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Now we are a couple of weeks into this fiasco is the new cycle lane being swamped and indeed, overrun, by the hoards of desperate cyclists that the cycle apologists on here said would descend on it like a swarm of ravenous locusts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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