Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Pettytom]

6 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

dont worry everyone the virus is going to hide itself away until the 24th or 25th, so between now and then????? its ok? if it was so imperative they should have said from today??

Anyone with any regard for others is already wearing one.

[onewheeldave]

On 11/07/2020 at 07:31, Baron99 said:

I recall in the previous thread a number of comments, regarding  people not social distancing, directing their complaints, especially towards younger generation. 

 

Anybody notice on the tv news yesterday, the crowds, mainly people I'd say 60+ years old, not socially distancing, almost no face coverings worn, out in the streets, paying their respects at Vera Lynn's funeral? 

 

The very age groups that should be doing everything possible to protect themselves. 

Vera Lynn, World War II, civil liberty and attempts to take away civil liberty. The Elderly have every right to choose how they conduct their lives for the [probably] short time they have left, they lived through the last big attempt to take away everyone's civil liberty and many fought against it. They are also the very group most vulnerable to the virus, so, if they choose to not cower under masks, and even to be close to one another, that is their right.

On 11/07/2020 at 23:53, Pettytom said:

 

Whilst fools like you continue to be contrarian, the rest of us have our liberty curtailed.  I’m fed up of people like you affecting my life.
 

Seriously, have a good long think. And a look in the mirror.

You're choosing to curtail your 'liberty'. Worse, you're trying to impose your choices on those who have refused to comply with the erosions to civil liberty that have been imposed.

On 12/07/2020 at 00:30, Pettytom said:

 

 

And, yes. If many people disagree with you, it quite likely makes you wrong 

Truth is not remotely determined by popular opinion [think of World War II for one of many examples].

13 hours ago, Pettytom said:

 

 

You don’t need to wear one when eating, or drinking.

Really?

12 hours ago, makapaka said:

That’s handy.

 

10 hours ago, Dardandec said:

If you don't want to wear a mask that's fine, but the only way to combat covid at the moment is teamwork. If you don't want to be part of that team then that's fine also, just don't come here moaning in forty years about restrictions still being in place.

I indeed do not want to be part of that 'team'. As for restrictions, it's looking like global totalitarianism in well under 40 years

 

8 hours ago, janie48 said:

We British have a tendency to be too self-conscious about our appearence, and how we appear to others. 

I can be just as guilty, it's a form of vanity in a way. 

 

 

We British used to have a tendency to resist authoritarian bullying, sadly seems to have dissapeared now. Not wanting to be forced against our will to wear a mask is nothing to do with vanity. 

2 hours ago, Lex Luthor said:

No, it's a matter of life and death.

 

Not only in terms of contracting Cv-19.  Many have died being denied cancer treatment in this country and the list will get bigger until the virus is under control.

Many have been denied cancer treatment as well as treatment of many other conditions- as a result of the coronavirus measures/lockdown; there will be a lot of deaths over the next few years due soley to the lockdown. Children with terminal cancer have died unable to be visited by their families due to the measures. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by onewheeldave

[casualbystander]

pure and simple.

[Baron99]

37 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Vera Lynn, World War II, civil liberty and attempts to take away civil liberry. The Elderly have every right to choose how they conduct their lives for the [probably] short time they have left, they lived through the last big attempt to take away everyone's civil liberty and many fought against it. They are also the very group most vulnerable to the virus, so, if they choose to not cower under masks, and even to be close to one another, that is their right.

You're choosing to curtail your 'liberty'. Worse, you're trying to impose your choices on those who have refused to comply with the erosions to civil liberty that have been imposed.

Truth is not remotely determined by popular opinion [think of World War II for one of many examples].

Really?

I indeed do not want to be part of that 'team'. As for restrictions, it's looking like global totalitarianism in well under 40 years

 

We British used to have a tendency to resist authoritarian bullying, sadly seems to have dissapeared now. Not wanting to be forced against our will to wear a mask is nothing to do with vanity. 

Many have been denied cancer treatment as well as treatment of many other conditions- as a result of the coronavirus measures/lockdown; there will be a lot of deaths over the next few years due soley to the lockdown. Children with terminal cancer have died unable to be visited by their families due to the measures. 

You seem to want the virus to persist until it's eventual outcome, whereby its killed a large percentage of the population & the rest have caught it & have some prospect of gaining immunity?   Although the immunity aspect is definitely not been determined yet?  It looks like the anti-bodies don't last beyond a few months according to yesterday's news? 

 

What a strange thought?  You'd rather run the risk of dying than wear a simple face covering?

 

But as you say in reference to the numbers at Vera Lynn's funeral, it's your choice not to wear a face covering.  On the upside I guess is that none  of the responsible amongst us, run the risk of bumping into you in a shop. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Baron99

[Pettytom]

7 minutes ago, casualbystander said:

pure and simple.

You have misunderstood the purpose of the face covering 

[Janus]

At the start of the pandemic we were either mislead, or given incorrect information about masks.

[tinfoilhat]

You are free to wear the top one if you like.

Just now, Janus said:

At the start of the pandemic we were either mislead, or given incorrect information about masks.

It might have been the correct info at the time, or, more likely, it was used so the nhs etc had enough.

 

And the public need to wear them properly or there’s not much point.

[Lex Luthor]

8 hours ago, janie48 said:

We British have a tendency to be too self-conscious about our appearence, and how we appear to others. 

I can be just as guilty, it's a form of vanity in a way. 

 

Felt a bit silly wearing a face mask at first when I went into Town the other day on the bus. 

 Soon got over the embarrassment when I saw so many other people wearing them though and knew I was doing the sensible thing,  by protecting myself and others 

 

So start wearing that face covering Makapaka, you'll soon get used to it.

Very true, Janie.

[Baron99]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

You have misunderstood the purpose of the face covering 

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1 hour ago, casualbystander said:

pure and simple.

Think you're in the wrong thread? 

 

You want the 'Do you buy into the conspiracy theories?' thread. 

 

(Apologies to you, Pettytom.  I didn't mean to include you).

Edited July 14, 2020 by Baron99

[Lex Luthor]

1 hour ago, onewheeldave said:

Vera Lynn, World War II, civil liberty and attempts to take away civil liberty. The Elderly have every right to choose how they conduct their lives for the [probably] short time they have left, they lived through the last big attempt to take away everyone's civil liberty and many fought against it. They are also the very group most vulnerable to the virus, so, if they choose to not cower under masks, and even to be close to one another, that is their right.

You're choosing to curtail your 'liberty'. Worse, you're trying to impose your choices on those who have refused to comply with the erosions to civil liberty that have been imposed.

Truth is not remotely determined by popular opinion [think of World War II for one of many examples].

Really?

I indeed do not want to be part of that 'team'. As for restrictions, it's looking like global totalitarianism in well under 40 years

 

We British used to have a tendency to resist authoritarian bullying, sadly seems to have dissapeared now. Not wanting to be forced against our will to wear a mask is nothing to do with vanity. 

Many have been denied cancer treatment as well as treatment of many other conditions- as a result of the coronavirus measures/lockdown; there will be a lot of deaths over the next few years due soley to the lockdown. Children with terminal cancer have died unable to be visited by their families due to the measures. 

Civil liberties are fine until they start to impinge on the rights of others.  

 

I'm afraid your civil liberty not to wear a mask, impinges on the right to life of others, including those anxiously awaiting medical treatment.

 

Also, cancer patients have not been denied treatment due to the lockdown, rather due to the prevalence of the virus itself.  That's why any improvement in service we have seen in recent weeks will, tragically, soon be erased, as the numbers are rising again.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Lex Luthor