apelike Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, petemcewan said: Apelike Who is the "we" in the last line of your paragraph ? I thought that to be pretty obvious but that includes the government but mainly the majority of the population at large, you know the masses that have to endure this. Unless of course you prefer lockdowns to continue indefinitely, which is fine by me as I've been in that state for years, but this is not about me as I'm old. Edited September 19, 2020 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Apelike, With respect. I don't think the likes of me and thee have any influence over the measures put in place by government. The following linked article is a bit long but makes the point, that there might be a nationwide lock down beginning Oct 2020 . https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-uk-government-wont-rule-out-second-national-lockdown/ Stay well. Edited September 19, 2020 by petemcewan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 13 hours ago, apelike said: Yes a fallacy, as no one has yet proven that face coverings have any positive affect in helping control the virus and even the Who state that medical grade masks are the ones that work not any old face covering. A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves" in the construction of an argument. A fallacious argument may be deceptive by appearing to be better than it really is. Just because something has not been proven does not make it a fallacy. You need to disprove it for it to be a fallacy... Waiting... Waiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 13 hours ago, Pettytom said: A second lockdown is looking inevitable now. Cases rising rapidly and behaviour not really adjusting to take account of the infection rates. It’s a shame really that the actions of careless folk affect the liberty of the rest of us Yet deaths from coronavirus are currently less than 28/day in the whole of the UK. Deaths from cancer are usually 450/day in the UK [though may be higher currently due to the increase caused by lack of availabiltiy to treatment as a direct result of the lockdown and coronavirus 'measures']. It's a grave mistake that the authorities and media are continuing to whip up and maintain fear amongst the gullible element of the public, by focusing on infection rates rather than the very low number of actual deaths caused by the virus. Tragic that the decimation of the economy and destruction of tens of thousands of small businesses, with countless deaths from untreated treatable conditions, and, the upcoming effects of unemployment and mental illness, continues, to tackle a 'pandemic' that is killing less than 28 people a day in a country of 67,886,011 people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Yet deaths from coronavirus are currently less than 28/day in the whole of the UK. Deaths from cancer are usually 450/day in the UK [though may be higher currently due to the increase caused by lack of availabiltiy to treatment as a direct result of the lockdown and coronavirus 'measures']. It's a grave mistake that the authorities and media are continuing to whip up and maintain fear amongst the gullible element of the public, by focusing on infection rates rather than the very low number of actual deaths caused by the virus. Tragic that the decimation of the economy and destruction of tens of thousands of small businesses, with countless deaths from untreated treatable conditions, and, the upcoming effects of unemployment and mental illness, continues, to tackle a 'pandemic' that is killing less than 28 people a day in a country of 67,886,011 people! Trouble is, our deaths lag infection rates by about 6-8 weeks. So go and take another look at the infection graph from that perspective. Add in the long term damage that Covid can cause to even healthy people and you should be able to see the imperative for action. Most governments in the world are taking action against Covid. I guess you could be right and they might all be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Yet deaths from coronavirus are currently less than 28/day in the whole of the UK. Deaths from cancer are usually 450/day in the UK [though may be higher currently due to the increase caused by lack of availabiltiy to treatment as a direct result of the lockdown and coronavirus 'measures']. It's a grave mistake that the authorities and media are continuing to whip up and maintain fear amongst the gullible element of the public, by focusing on infection rates rather than the very low number of actual deaths caused by the virus. Tragic that the decimation of the economy and destruction of tens of thousands of small businesses, with countless deaths from untreated treatable conditions, and, the upcoming effects of unemployment and mental illness, continues, to tackle a 'pandemic' that is killing less than 28 people a day in a country of 67,886,011 people! There's always going to be a gap between the numbers going up (exponentially is the word SAGE are using I believe) and deaths. They'll come a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Is there an actual genuine app that works for this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Pettytom said: Trouble is, our deaths lag infection rates by about 6-8 weeks. So go and take another look at the infection graph from that perspective. Add in the long term damage that Covid can cause to even healthy people and you should be able to see the imperative for action. Most governments in the world are taking action against Covid. I guess you could be right and they might all be wrong. As usual, the long term damage from lack of cancer treatment, rising mental illness, rising long term unemployment etc, etc, etc don't get a mention. Figure those in please. 28 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: There's always going to be a gap between the numbers going up (exponentially is the word SAGE are using I believe) and deaths. They'll come a little later. We'll see won't we. My prediction is that however much infections rise, deaths from covid will stay low. In contrast to deaths from lack of cancer treatment, long term unemployment, mental illness etc, etc; the numbers for which will be horrific. Edited September 19, 2020 by onewheeldave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: As usual, the long term damage from lack of cancer treatment, rising mental illness, rising long term unemployment etc, etc, etc don't get a mention. Figure those in please. We'll see won't we. My prediction is that however much infections rise, deaths from covid will stay low. In contrast to deaths from lack of cancer treatment, long term unemployment, mental illness etc, etc; the numbers for which will be horrific. Hope youre not trying to scare people just like the media you accuse of doing the same? OO 16 hours ago, apelike said: Yes a fallacy, as no one has yet proven that face coverings have any positive affect in helping control the virus and even the Who state that medical grade masks are the ones that work not any old face covering. Feel free to prove that wearing nothing at all over your face is safer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Litotes said: A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves" in the construction of an argument. A fallacious argument may be deceptive by appearing to be better than it really is. That is just one interpretation of many and chosen because it fits your idea and was probably the first hit on the Google list. Its can also mean: A deceptive, misleading, false notion or belief. A misleading or unsound argument. Deceptive, misleading or false nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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