Longcol Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, onewheeldave said: I've no problem with vulnerable people shielding [if they choose to, equally, if they choose not to, that's their decision]. It makes far more sense for the vulnerable to be in quaranteen, rather that everyone. That's about 25% of the population of England, Where is the infrastrucure to ensure they get food deliveries etc? Who is going to do their jobs presuming they're not retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Longcol said: That's about 25% of the population of England, Where is the infrastrucure to ensure they get food deliveries etc? Who is going to do their jobs presuming they're not retired? Where are you getting 25% from? Edited September 19, 2020 by onewheeldave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Where are you getting 25% from? Here - one of the most respected Health research groups; https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-disease-and-disability-long-term-conditions-multi-morbidity Edited September 19, 2020 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, melthebell said: so youd rather they are imprisoned rather than the fit idiots that think theyre ok and can act selfishly? Clearly not, as I said they should have the right to not self-isolate- it's their choice. I expect most would, as it makes sense. They would then be as safe as it's possible to be, while everyone else gets on with keeping the economy going. 8 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: I've no problem with vulnerable people shielding [if they choose to, equally, if they choose not to, that's their decision]. It makes far more sense for the vulnerable to be in quaranteen, rather that everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Clearly not, as I said they should have the right to not self-isolate- it's their choice. I expect most would, as it makes sense. They would then be as safe as it's possible to be, while everyone else gets on with keeping the economy going. Then theres the ones who dont know they have an underlying health problem until they catch Covid then its too late, they cant go back, as i said you look at things very simply Edited September 19, 2020 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Longcol said: Here - one of the most respected Health research groups; https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-disease-and-disability-long-term-conditions-multi-morbidity That's about long term conditions. People with long term conditions are not necessarily especially vulnerable to covid. Being autistic as I am, is a life long condition- I'm not especially vulnerable to covid. Obesity, diabetes, heart conditions, elderly etc- they're vulnerable. 1 minute ago, melthebell said: Then theres the ones who dont know they have an underlying health problem until they catch Covid then its too late, they cant go back Obviously, I'm talking about the vulnerable who do know they have an underlying condition that makes them susceptible- it makes sense for them to self isolate, rather than quaranteen everyone [thus causing economic devastation and the ensuing mortality] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: We'll see. I'm betting they won't get that high. Yes, but you are betting with other people’s grandmothers. Are you sure that’s ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmiss Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Longcol said: That's about 25% of the population of England, Where is the infrastrucure to ensure they get food deliveries etc? Who is going to do their jobs presuming they're not retired? I’m back to self imposed shielding, not overweight or diabetic but have a longstanding lung condition. Fortunately I’m retired, have priority access to on line shopping and supportive family and friends. Not every person classified as ‘extremely vulnerable to the virus ‘ had the same advantages and won’t receive support to shield unless government orders it Edited September 19, 2020 by catmiss Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: That's about long term conditions. People with long term conditions are not necessarily especially vulnerable to covid. Being autistic as I am, is a life long condition- I'm not especially vulnerable to covid. Obesity, diabetes, heart conditions, elderly etc- they're vulnerable. Didn't you read the first paragraph of the link? "About 15 million people in England have a long-term condition (1). Long-term conditions or chronic diseases are conditions for which there is currently no cure, and which are managed with drugs and other treatment, for example: diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, arthritis and hypertension." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: You got a link? Do you have a link for all of the dangerous nonsense you’ve been spouting tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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