Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Becky B]

3 hours ago, El Cid said:

That was why we locked down in March, because we were not ready. Surely the NHS is now prepared?

In terms of understanding more about this virus, yes.  There is still a finite number of 'beds'.  See also tinfoilhat's response

[Becky B]

34 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

I'd say, given it is a prime cause of covid deaths [obesity, heart disease, type 2 diabetes etc are very significant risk factors for dying of covid] this is as good a place as any to discuss it?

 

What really strikes my about the current hysteria is how there seems to be so little discussion of the actual causes of the pandemic. The science is clear on the role of chronic long term preventable illness; the science is clear on the actual origins of this and other pandemic viruses- extreme animal agriculture where large numbers of ill and ill treated animals are packed in close proximity, creating an ideal environment for novel viruses to take hold and mutate to the extent that they can cross into and infect other species [humans]. Pollution is another.

 

Yet all the media and authorites are talking about is more ways to control an unwilling population and create more industries to innovate and police lockdown measures.

 

This pandemic has killed, 0.06% of the global pandemic. Spanish flu is estimated to have killed between 3% and 10% of the population. Make no mistake, covid is trivial in comparison to a real pandemic.

 

By not addressing the actual causes of the pandemics, we guarantee they will continue to appear, and when we get one as bad, or worse, than the Spanish flu, no amount of masking & locking people down is going to help.

 

I can't remember the name of the book I read several years ago, but I remember the quote from a senior specialist in pandemics stating, in connection with a pandemic that wipes out a serious percentage of humanity, that, unless the actual causes are addressed [animal agriculture] that 'it is not a matter of if, but of when' i.e. it's virtually certain to occur.

Some might be [getting essential treatment], but many aren't, and won't be for quite a while- there are huge backlogs due to the hopsitals being locked down and empty during the first lockdown.

 

During the first lockdown hospitals came nowhere near to being overwhelmed and sat empty, occupied by nurses creating complex dance routines and posting them on Youtube. Patients were barred from hospitals and the majority of appointments became phone consultations. What a tragic waste.

You don't look at someone who is drowning and think "well we'd better teach them to swim, quick!".  Rescue them first, then teach them to swim.  A crude analogy, but the best I can come up with at the moment.

 

We can't overcome years of social attitudes, individual beliefs, education and lack of motivation in a few short months.

"Eat better and exercise more, reverse your type II diabetes, and you'll be at less risk from Covid-19!!!!"  If it was that simple, they wouldn't have the disease in the first place.  I may be over simplifying somewhat, but...

 

I think modern healthcare and better sanitation may have some influence on the difference in death figures between Spanish flu  and this virus, but what do I know?

 

I saw some of the dance routines you mention.  I also saw may posts from doctors, staff nurses and AHPs showing the pressure damage on their faces from wearing full PPE all day, the blog posts detailing how mentally and physically exhausted they were from trying to save lives and watching people die when they couldn't save them.   Social media doesn't always give a balanced view - the algorithms tend to amplify things you already see or your friends are sharing.

[tinfoilhat]

8 minutes ago, Easy livin said:

Another opportunity to inflate the numbers.

 

Wait a day or two and those innacurate  numbers will be quoted as fact in most national papers

But the app won’t accept an nhs result? 

 

That said ive seen the social media posts and it’s always just one name, like nobody else has tried it.

49 minutes ago, iansheff said:

Just reading the article below where it says: 

The government's new NHS Covid-19 app has come under fire after it emerged it can't accept results of tests carried out in NHS hospitals or Public Health England labs.

 

The Government are not inspiring confidence with their track and trace app.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-shambles-nhs-covid-19-22746601#source=breaking-news

It’s not an NHS app, it’s a Serco app. This has nothing to do with the nhs apart from making them a useful stooge when it goes tits up again.

[butlers]

To who's benefit ,I pretty sure the medical staff facing this with the dangers they gave would love it to be an overblown media confection.

Pretty sure NOTHING would please our reptile overlords in the government would like to do than say ,all's well not al life can resume.

We are very" lucky" this virus is not multiples more deadly.

And of course ticking away in background is anti biotic resistance

[onewheeldave]

25 minutes ago, Becky B said:

 

 

We can't overcome years of social attitudes, individual beliefs, education and lack of motivation in a few short months.

"Eat better and exercise more, reverse your type II diabetes, and you'll be at less risk from Covid-19!!!!"  If it was that simple, they wouldn't have the disease in the first place.  I may be over simplifying somewhat, but...

 

 

I know it's not that simple. It will require extracting the talons of the various vested financial interests of food and pharaceutical coporations from the health services so that switch from a chronic disease management methodology to one of preventative health; and, many other equally difficult tasks.

 

But none of that will happen until we acknowledge that the majority of serious disease in the west is optional and due primarily to diet and lifestyle.

 

We need to acknowledge that that health situation is a prime driver of covid mortality [along with our extreme animal agriculture], we need to public to be aware of the science showing that much of the current crisis is not the fault of a scapegoated minority who object to lockdowns and masks, but that the main cause is those 2 factors. That is a necessary precursor to starting the process of substantial reform of healthcare and animal agriculture necessary to ensure that more serious pandemics are less likely to arise, and, if they do, will kill less people.

 

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37 minutes ago, Becky B said:

 

 

I think modern healthcare and better sanitation may have some influence on the difference in death figures between Spanish flu  and this virus, but what do I know?

 

 

I doubt it had that much effect. Obviously around that period [of inferior sanitation/healthcare] there would have been other virus  outbreaks, but nothing had the consequences of the Spanish flu.

 

 

 

 

[onewheeldave]

1 hour ago, Becky B said:

 

 

I saw some of the dance routines you mention.  I also saw may posts from doctors, staff nurses and AHPs showing the pressure damage on their faces from wearing full PPE all day, the blog posts detailing how mentally and physically exhausted they were from trying to save lives and watching people die when they couldn't save them.   Social media doesn't always give a balanced view - the algorithms tend to amplify things you already see or your friends are sharing.

I know- I saw the scenes of despair and exhaustion from those staff dealing with the actual coronavirus patients.

 

Nevertheless, other staff, not treating covid patients, sat in empty wards while cancer patients were blocked from accessing hospitals, were making dance videos to relief their boredom.

 

And I disagree about the balance, because the media was plastered with horror stories and photos of said despairing and exhausted medical staff treating hopitalised covid patients- I got no social media notifications from social media about dancing nurses, I heard about it from a friend and went looking on youtube to see if it was true.

 

I'm actually very grateful for social media and the internet, because they reflect a diversity of opinion and sources that the mainstream media either supress or ignore.

 

And that brings me to another worrying trend where civil liberties are concerned- the number of social media channels that have been censored and de-platformed if they question or criticise any aspect of the lockdown measures.

 

Add in the very large number of calls to the police from people 'grassing' on their neighbours for having the temerity to venture outside their home [I know someone who works for the police, taking calls from the public, and she was 'sickened' [her words] by the sheer volume of it.

 

Censorship and informants- do not bode well in conjunction with the extreme levels of lockdown and control we're seeing over this; hence why many are concerned about civil liberties and the possibility of a slide towards, or, into, global totalitarianism.

 

Here is a report on today's 'We Do Not Consent' rally.

 

You can see the numbers who are concerned about the civil rights issues of lockdown, and, the variety of positions they hold, by reading the various placards. They range from out and out covid deniers, to those with reasoned and legitimate concerns about aspects of the lockdown. There are a llot more of them than people realise.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-anti-lockdown-protesters-chant-22746234

 

 

[Pettytom]

13 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Here is a report on today's 'We Do Not Consent' rally.

 

You can see the numbers who are concerned about the civil rights issues of lockdown, and, the variety of positions they hold, by reading the various placards. They range from out and out covid deniers, to those with reasoned and legitimate concerns about aspects of the lockdown. There are a llot more of them than people realise.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-anti-lockdown-protesters-chant-22746234

 

 

So much for a totalitarian state then. 
 

It seems that we can still accommodate protest, even from the lunatic fringe.

 

Sadly, they are such a rabble that they’ve failed to comply with their own risk assessment and are currently being dealt with accordingly 

[taxman]

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Have we trained thousands more doctors and nurses since then?

No, but they got a round of applause on a Thursday so what more do they want?

 

Never mind, when the doctors and nurses get tired of working for the NHS we can get Serco, G4S and various mates of Cummings to replace them.

[Delayed]

12 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

So much for a totalitarian state then. 
 

It seems that we can still accommodate protest, even from the lunatic fringe.

 

Sadly, they are such a rabble that they’ve failed to comply with their own risk assessment and are currently being dealt with accordingly 

And ironically it is these same people gathering in large groups protesting about lockdown measures whom will ensure that lockdowns continue.

 

Maybe contracting the virus will make them realise there's no big conspiracy by the Illuminati

[butlers]

Not sure how I would feel if I worked in nhs and one of them idiots turned up in my ward.

Yeah ,thought I would ignor All advice and stand shoulder to shoulder with almost exclusively non mask  wearing crowd for couple of hours.

Totally irresponsible