Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

Not heart attacks- What do you think about the coming deaths from mass unemployment, economic devastation and mental illness?

See Thatcherism and 3 million unemployed, economic devastation in South Yorkshire etc.

[onewheeldave]

Just now, Longcol said:

So you disagree with the doctors who signed the death certificates. Your medical qualifications are.......................................

 

 

Yes I do. I often disagree with doctors. I have no medical qualifications.

[butlers]

What do I think ( sarky reply ) delighted.

It's plain what I think

[onewheeldave]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

 

 

And what did cause the excess deaths if not covid? The bogeyman?

I answered that already- killing the elderly by discharging other elderly with COVID into care homes might explain some or even most of it?

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

Yes I do. I often disagree with doctors. I have no medical qualifications.

So your basis for not accepting the statistics based on the death certificates are.............................

[onewheeldave]

3 minutes ago, butlers said:

You really want to cherry pick there, seems entirely fair to check numbers in last major recession,

Back then there was not the understanding of mental health issues we have now, I doubt that there would be any kind of accurate estimations of how suicides would be caused by unemployment.

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

So your basis for not accepting the statistics based on the death certificates are.............................

That COVID was put on the death certificates when they died of something else but just happened to have COVID at the same time.

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

I answered that already- killing the elderly by discharging other elderly with COVID into care homes might explain some or even most of it?

No - that is only about 20,000 excess deaths.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31199-5/fulltext

[Dardandec]

22 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

No, but they are 10 times the number currently dying from COVID.

deaths per day in the uk-

cancer 450

heart attacks 460

diabetes 71

that is just 3 conditions. 

 

I'm just putting the number of covid deaths [34] into context

 

Ok fine we will play it your way.

 

Open everything up and pretend this never happened, no restrictions or local lockdowns or anything, back to normal yeah?

 

Person A- Mmmm, I'm sure I didn't have that lump the other day, I will call my doctors. Sorry we are closed as there are no GP's  available, one has died, one is on a ventilator and the other 2 are self isolating due to displaying  covid symtoms. The 2 locums we use are also self isolating.

 

Mmmm, ok I will take myself off to A  & E, Hello is that abcd taxis? Yes where do you want to go? A & E,  yeah no problem there is a 6 hour wait though is that ok? 6 hours? yeah most of our drivers are off sick with covid. Oh ok i'll wait.

 

8 hours later at A & E. OMG its closed, Knock Knock on door. Why are you closed? limited access mate, we are on skeleton staff due to covid and have very limited beds and space.

 

Do you see where I am going with that? 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Dardandec

[butlers]

I do wonder what choices are going to be available if no vaccine turns up by spring.

Short of " sending to Eyam" the 2 million was it who are highly vunerable

[onewheeldave]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

No - that is only about 20,000 excess deaths.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31199-5/fulltext

20,000 is quite a lot.