Longcol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Back then there was not the understanding of mental health issues we have now, I doubt that there would be any kind of accurate estimations of how suicides would be caused by unemployment. Go find the suicide stats then - doesn't matter if they were caused by unemployment or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dardandec said: Ok fine we will play it your way. Open everything up and pretend this never happened, no restrictions or local lockdowns or anything, back to normal yeah? Person A- Mmmm, I'm sure I didn't have that lump the other day, I will call my doctors. Sorry we are closed as there are no GP's available, one has died, one is on a ventilator and the other 2 are self isolating due to dispalying covid symtoms. The 2 locums we us are also self isolating. Mmmm, ok I will take myself of to A & E, Hello is that abcd taxis? Yes where do you want to go? A & E, yeah no problem there is a 6 hour wait though is that ok? 6 hours? yeah most of our drivers are off sick with covid. Oh ok i'll wait. 8 hours later at A & E. OMG its closed, Knock Knock on door. Why are you closed? limited access mate, we are on skeleton staff due to covid and have very limited beds and space. Do you see where I am going with that? It sounds like a scene from the last lockdown when patients where denied access to medical care despite most of the hospitals being empty- waiting for the 'overwhelmed by COVID NHS' that never materialised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Don't make me wander off and find it,I need a tea anyhow. It would not. surprise me if there statistics relating to premature death increase by percent of unemployment.A ball park. The 80 s were big boys don't cry much to men's disavantage ,things are more open now ,more help and listening ears are available, lean on a friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Longcol said: Go find the suicide stats then - doesn't matter if they were caused by unemployment or not. I'm not interested in suicide stats from the eighties- it was forty years ago, society is very different now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Just now, onewheeldave said: It sounds like a scene from the last lockdown when patients where denied access to medical care despite most of the hospitals being empty- waiting for the 'overwhelmed by COVID NHS' that never materialised. Intensive care units were at breaking point. You sure like your myths.................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Just now, Longcol said: Intensive care units were at breaking point. You sure like your myths.................................................... I said hospitals, not intensive care units! You sure like to misrepresent.................................................................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: It sounds like a scene from the last lockdown when patients where denied access to medical care despite most of the hospitals being empty- waiting for the 'overwhelmed by COVID NHS' that never materialised. No my friend, that is a scene from your fantasy no restrictions world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Just now, onewheeldave said: I'm not interested in suicide stats from the eighties- it was forty years ago, society is very different now. So tell me how does unemployment affect people differently now compared to the 1980's? Just now, onewheeldave said: I said hospitals, not intensive care units! You sure like to misrepresent.................................................................................. Where do you think covid patients were - Intensive Care - or where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, butlers said: Don't make me wander off and find it,I need a tea anyhow. It would not. surprise me if there statistics relating to premature death increase by percent of unemployment.A ball park. The 80 s were big boys don't cry much to men's disavantage ,things are more open now ,more help and listening ears are available, lean on a friend Its' true, the eighties where a different world. Can you imagine what those 'big boys' would have told the authorities to do back then if they were ordered to wear clothes on their face or stay locked up at home for weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I would have thought some of the frail elderly discharged from hospital was entirely because it was certain that the wards were filling with Covid effected. That would seem logical and if course it's only in last couple of months the testing has come anywhere near what's required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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