Longcol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Wards were empty, patients weren't allowed to come into empty hopsitals. I see quite a few consultants- they confirm what I'm saying here. You'd be surprised I think if you knew how many NHS staff think that the measures are way overblown and counter productive and harmful o patients. I'm not surprised, there were quite a lot of dance videos posted, a lot of bored nurses who could have been treating patients. Nurses obviously aren't allowed to have a few minutes off to relieve the tension of some hard graft then? Edited October 5, 2020 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: "Substantial increases in the number of avoidable cancer deaths in England are to be expected as a result of diagnostic delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Urgent policy interventions are necessary, particularly the need to manage the backlog within routine diagnostic services to mitigate the expected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on patients with cancer." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext That’s beyond doubt. It doesn’t preclude the correct preventative measures being taken to control Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Anecdotes are easy- I know of a dentist who is currently working for a gardener friend, filling in doing gardening work. So? Was he doing that in April? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: "Substantial increases in the number of avoidable cancer deaths in England are to be expected as a result of diagnostic delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Urgent policy interventions are necessary, particularly the need to manage the backlog within routine diagnostic services to mitigate the expected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on patients with cancer." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext Yup - a backlog due to the extreme number of covid cases that the NHS had to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Longcol said: Nurses obviously aren't allowed to have a few minutes off to relieve the tension of some hard graft then? Usually no- nurses are notoriously overworked, underpaid, lots of unpaid overtime as, normally, the NHS is stretched to it's limits treating more patients than it can handle- very stressful job. However, with the lockdown so many nurses in empty wards had so little to do that..... dance routines/youtube. 3 minutes ago, Pettytom said: That’s beyond doubt. It doesn’t preclude the correct preventative measures being taken to control Covid. Some one actually acknowledges that a lot of cancer patients have been denied essential treatment, that is progress. Hopefully people can acknowledge the unemployment/ruined small businesses/mental illnesses that are/will be consequences of the covid preventative measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Usually no- nurses are notoriously overworked, underpaid, lots of unpaid overtime as, normally, the NHS is stretched to it's limits treating more patients than it can handle- very stressful job. And then along comes huge extra demand from covid - I thought you said "the NHS was nowhere near overwhelmed" - and yet it's normally stretched to it's limits with more patients that it can handle........................................................ Edited October 5, 2020 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Longcol said: Yup - a backlog due to the extreme number of covid cases that the NHS had to deal with. Nope, a backlog due to the numbers of non-covid patients denied essential treatment during the unecessary closure of many wards [in reality of course, probably a bit of both] 1 minute ago, Longcol said: And then along comes huge extra demand from covid - I thought you said "the NHS was nowhere near overwhelmed" - and yet it's normally stretched to it's limits with more patients that it can handle........................................................ No, I said the NHS had come nowhere close to being overwhelmed by covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: Nope, a backlog due to the numbers of non-covid patients denied essential treatment during the unecessary closure of many wards [in reality of course, probably a bit of both] See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Usually no- nurses are notoriously overworked, underpaid, lots of unpaid overtime as, normally, the NHS is stretched to it's limits treating more patients than it can handle- very stressful job. However, with the lockdown so many nurses in empty wards had so little to do that..... dance routines/youtube. Some one actually acknowledges that a lot of cancer patients have been denied essential treatment, that is progress. Hopefully people can acknowledge the unemployment/ruined small businesses/mental illnesses that are/will be consequences of the covid preventative measures. I read that alot of breast cancer screenings were missed as well. Small businesses are disappearing everyday - mine is clinging on by its fingertips, the entire industry is clinging on by its fingertips. I'm not saying it isn't a painful **** show (one that's been horribly mismanaged) but what's the option? Don't say Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Some one actually acknowledges that a lot of cancer patients have been denied essential treatment, that is progress. Hopefully people can acknowledge the unemployment/ruined small businesses/mental illnesses that are/will be consequences of the covid preventative measures. Maybe you need to acknowledge that masks, distancing and hand hygiene are all simple, but effective steps in combating a serious threat to public health. That, and the fact that unless we all act together, this thing will become even worse than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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