Longcol Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: There are lots of strange outliers. Look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ especially the deaths per million column- currently 500/day+ for the UK and USA, whereas in a lot of African states in is under 10/day. Of course that could be partly attributed to less advanced tallying, but equally, it could be due to the greatly different diet/lifestyle i.e. maybe the big problem in the advanced western countries is in large part due to their toxic diet and lifestyle, resulting in obesity/type 2 diabetes/heart disease and several other chronic conditions having become almost the norm- the exact conditions which it is known makes people infected with covid far more likely to succumb to it. I disagree that most cancer deaths are unpreventable, but I'm not going to get into that here. But heart disease is largly preventable and that also causes 450 deaths/day- obesity and type 2 diabetes are largely preventable. But we can't turn the clock back - we start from 2020 when covid hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, onewheeldave said: Yes- that is what I was referring to with 'outliers' Nothing to do with outliers. Manaus is a warning to us all. Pursue reckless public health policies and prepare to be digging mass graves. 1 minute ago, Longcol said: But we can't turn the clock back - we start from 2020 when covid hit. Also, the incidence of heart disease is relatively stable. It won’t accelerate out of control unless the Government bring in compulsory lard eating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pettytom said: It’s all here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths I know, so why are you saying 12 minutes ago, Pettytom said: 19 on the 5th October 81 on the 10th. I do apologise, they’ve quadrupled. when the link you've just posted has it as 54 on the 5th oct and 31 on the 10th oct????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: I get my figures from the link I post- https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ which has 54 on the 5th oct and 31 on the 10th oct. I've always posted the link to the figures I'm using, and the peak was a little under a thousand. There are good reasons to question even that figure, given that people who died with, not of covid, have been classed as covid deaths. You can use any figures you like. The correct ones show daily deaths of over 1400/day. 7 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: I know, so why are you saying when the link you've just posted has it as 54 on the 5th oct and 31 on the 10th oct????? No, it doesn’t. My figure are straight from the graph by date reported I’m done with this Trumpian rewriting of the facts. Good night Edited October 12, 2020 by Pettytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Longcol said: But we can't turn the clock back - we start from 2020 when covid hit. We don't need to turn the clock back, we need to start addressing the actual cause of all these deaths, which is the appalling underlying health issues caused by the modern western diet and lifestyle, which lead directly to people dying in large numbers from a virus [covid] which, if they had less chronic conditions [heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes etc] would be killing far less of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: We don't need to turn the clock back, we need to start addressing the actual cause of all these deaths, which is the appalling underlying health issues caused by the modern western diet and lifestyle, which lead directly to people dying in large numbers from a virus [covid] which, if they had less chronic conditions [heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes etc] would be killing far less of them. OK, no problem with that - so why the denial of the huge numbers of covid related deaths then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pettytom said: You can use any figures you like. The correct ones show daily deaths of over 1400/day. No, it doesn’t. Yes it does! Go, to the link you posted 10 minutes ago, Pettytom said: It’s all here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths hover your cursor over the dates in question, and for the 5th oct you will see deaths are 54 and on the 10th, deaths are 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Yes it does! Go, to the link you posted hover your cursor over the dates in question, and for the 5th oct you will see deaths are 54 and on the 10th, deaths are 31 You hover yours over the most informative graph, which is the second one Edited October 12, 2020 by Pettytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Pettytom said: You hover yours over the most informative graph Which is where? Where do your figures below come from? 26 minutes ago, Pettytom said: 19 on the 5th October 81 on the 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Whatever...................................... Given the increased hospitalisations and cases in ITU, we're going to see an increase in deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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