Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Maldav]

3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

You hover yours over the most informative graph, which is the second one

It's not,  the actual date of death is the most accurate, not the reported date.  Just look at the graphs and you see the second one is all over the place.

[redruby]

Some big mistakes were made lifting lockdown. Too little thinking outside the box and too much of a rush to ‘let’s get back to normal’ in September. Remember all the nonsense about children not being a risk for SPREADING Covid (I think we all know nearly all children aren’t badly affected but why on earth would they not be capable of spreading it?). Then there was more nonsense encouraging people back to the office even when they could work effectively at home.  And the impact so far of students mingling is only the tip of the iceberg.

Of course can’t stay locked down forever and these things were done with the aim of kickstarting the economy. However, it has been handled so badly the economy will I suspect suffer more badly as a result. 
 

[melthebell]

Immunity I hear you ask, maybe not?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

[PRESLEY]

Boris wont do the national lock because of the economy fair enough he also wont let the population go back to normal and let the virus take its own course, but by letting the spread rise in each area before put in the high risk bracket, surely in time when every area all over the country has gone through this he as in fact let the virus takes its own course. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by PRESLEY

[onewheeldave]

52 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Immunity I hear you ask, maybe not?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

From your linked article-

 

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So far, reinfection seems to be rare - there have been only a few examples out of more than 37 million confirmed cases.

Reports in Hong Kong, Belgium and the Netherlands said they were no more serious than the first. One in Ecuador mirrored the US case in being more severe, but did not need hospital treatment."

 

"Given the fact that to date over 37 million people have had the infection, we would have expected to have heard of many more incidents if such very early reinfections with severe illness were common."

 

 

[avalunche]

13 hours ago, Jim117 said:

How hard can this be? Is wearing a mask so difficult? Wearing a mask is an irritable inconvenience but I can easily cope with it and I’m a quite heavy smoker. I don’t believe for one minute that there is any medical reason to not wear one other than mental issues like maybe autism. Round our way the most common group of people I see flouting the rules in shops are middle aged men (my age group) who presumably think they are too “hard” to be challenged on their behaviour or indeed to actually catch Covid. Regarding all the bull being spoken about sheep, hoaxes, government control, etc, I have in the past participated in civil disobedience when I have thought it necessary but at the moment I will quite happily wear a mask if I think it will even slightly help me, my family or my fellow citizens. Just to finish, my nephew and his family have got Covid, my elderly parents neighbours have got Covid and my sister in law’s neighbours have got Covid. In the last example the wife has been told to say her goodbyes to her husband although she can’t go to hospital to do it in person because she has Covid.

Or perhaps they simply feel that wearing them is pointless and uncomfortable for a disease that 99.5% of people survive, and that the government stupid edicts should be resisted not complied with?  The same government who told is in March that masks don't work, months later to mandate them for shoppers but not shop staff,  to then later say shop staff must also wear them.   The same government that paid people to go out and have a meal on them to "help out",  and then told people off for going out and spreading the disease.

 

If you were to ask any medical professionals who routinely use face masks, they would tell you they are used and then instantly dis-guarded.    The way we use them, repeatedly, touching them all the time, adjusting, makes them utterly worthless.  Its pure theatre that we are wearing them.  Others who know more about diseases and our immune system tell us that what we are doing is actually weakening our immune system!

 

When I think of this government I think bring them to justice for what they have done and the lives ruined and lost.

Edited October 13, 2020 by avalunche

[nightrider]

6 minutes ago, avalunche said:

Or perhaps they simply feel that wearing them is pointless and uncomfortable for a disease that 99.5% of people survive, and that the government stupid edicts should be resisted not complied with?  The same government who told is in March that masks don't work, months later to mandate them for shoppers but not shop staff,  to then later say shop staff must also wear them.   The same government that paid people to go out and have a meal on them to "help out",  and then told people off for going out and spreading the disease.

 

If you were to ask any medical professionals who routinely use face masks, they would tell you they are used and then instantly dis-guarded.    The way we use them, repeatedly, touching them all the time, adjusting, makes them utterly worthless. 

User error. Its not that masks don't work.

 

Its a major failure that there was no education campaign explaining how to safely use them. Also perhaps a major failure of our education system that so many did not think to find out how to use them safely (very easy with google) before using them.

[onewheeldave]

51 minutes ago, nightrider said:

User error. Its not that masks don't work.

 

Its a major failure that there was no education campaign explaining how to safely use them. Also perhaps a major failure of our education system that so many did not think to find out how to use them safely (very easy with google) before using them.

Is it at all practical for the public to use masks safely?

Taking them off and  putting them on repeatedly as they enter/leave multiple shops means they have to touch the masks. The masks need to be stored [in a pocket?]

 

If they change to a new disposable mask each time, how many masks/day will they need? That is expense and, there are reports on the environmental issues arising from all the plastic in all the abandoned masks.

1 hour ago, avalunche said:

Or perhaps they simply feel that wearing them is pointless and uncomfortable for a disease that 99.5% of people survive, and that the government stupid edicts should be resisted not complied with? 

I Agree.

[onewheeldave]

1 hour ago, avalunche said:

 

 

If you were to ask any medical professionals who routinely use face masks, they would tell you they are used and then instantly dis-guarded.    The way we use them, repeatedly, touching them all the time, adjusting, makes them utterly worthless.  Its pure theatre that we are wearing them.  Others who know more about diseases and our immune system tell us that what we are doing is actually weakening our immune system!

 

 

There are also many medical professionals who wear masks only because they are forced to, and, they have to stay quiet as, putting forward their reasons why compulsory masking is counter productive, puts their job at risk.

1 hour ago, avalunche said:

Its pure theatre that we are wearing them.  

 

 

It is. Well put.

[petemcewan]

The following is not high theatre..

 

A high degree of compliance will maximise the impact of universal masking in public. The global shortage of surgical masks and N95 respirators is a serious concern. In line with the recent recommedation by US CDC for healthy people to wear a cloth face cover in public [14], we strongly support the use of cloth masks as a simple, economic and sustainable alternative to surgical mask as a means of source control for general community use, so that disposable surgical masks and N95 respirators can be reserved for use in health care facilities. Such intervention is likely to be life-saving in many resource limited settings.

 

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/early/2020/04/27/13993003.01260-2020

 

I won't be chucking my mask into a crowd.

Edited October 13, 2020 by petemcewan