melthebell Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, andyofborg said: why? food shops remain open the supply chain is pretty stable no need for anything other than the usual shopping. 56 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: Well there certainly won't be any 'panic buying' this time around. However, anyone with a brain and a memory of the 1st lockdown is very likely to do some rational and intelligent stock purchasing to ensure that they can eat, wash and wipe their bottoms. Theres already panic buying, a mate posted a pic today that he took of people in front of him with trolleys full 47 minutes ago, BigPP said: Hopefully, this will help explain how Covid(and Flu/Pneumonia) statistics are collated. The key fact is 'Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it.' From https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/ who in turn gathered their information from https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020 How deaths are categorised Death certificates give doctors space to record several different diseases or conditions that contributed to someone’s death, but only one can be recorded as the underlying cause. The underlying cause in this context means “the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death”. For example, someone might develop cancer, which leads to other conditions, from which they ultimately die. All of these conditions might be mentioned by a doctor on the person’s death certificate, but the cancer would be listed as the single underlying cause. It would be right to say that this person “died of” or “died from” cancer, and it would be misleading to say that they died of or from something else. In its bulletin on the number of deaths being registered in England and Wales each week, the ONS reports the number of “deaths involving COVID-19”, which means the number of death certificates that mention Covid-19 somewhere, whether or not it was the underlying cause. The ONS also reports in the bulletin the number of “deaths in England and Wales [that] mentioned ‘Influenza and Pneumonia’”. Again, they didn’t have to be the underlying cause of death. This matters, because when Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate, it is much more likely to be the underlying cause of someone’s death than when pneumonia or influenza is. Up to the end of June 2020 in England and Wales, Covid-19 was the underlying cause of death on about 93% of the death certificates that mentioned it. In 2015, 2016 and 2017, however, influenza or pneumonia were listed as the underlying cause of death on just 28% of the death certificates in England that mentioned either of them. exactly, covid causes so many issues, you dont always die of respiratory issues but can die of things like brain issues, kidney issues, heart issues etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, onewheeldave said: The lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues, and their welfare has been a very low priority when coming to the decision to inflict a 2nd full lockdown on us. 3 minutes ago, melthebell said: NOBODY likes them, funnily enough when theres a massive negative thing happening (in this case a pandemic) then strangely negative results happen, thats life. now id like to hear YOUR solutions instead of lockdowns, social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing since they are so dangerous to people When I said 'the lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues' I was not saying that they don't like them; rather I was referring to the fact that it will cause breakdowns and suicides. My solution is to not have a second full lockdown: to cease the scaremongering, protect those of the vulnerable who want to be protected, and let everyone else get on with their lives. Cease destroying the economy, destroying people's jobs, harming those with mental health issues, allow those with cancer, pre-cancer, heart issues and all other medical conditions to access medical care. Cease the censorship of experts and public who question the official narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, onewheeldave said: When I said 'the lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues' I was not saying that they don't like them; rather I was referring to the fact that it will cause breakdowns and suicides. My solution is to not have a second full lockdown: to cease the scaremongering, protect those of the vulnerable who want to be protected, and let everyone else get on with their lives. Cease destroying the economy, destroying people's jobs, harming those with mental health issues, allow those with cancer, pre-cancer, heart issues and all other medical conditions to access medical care. Cease the censorship of experts and public who question the official narrative. What scaremongering and which experts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, melthebell said: Theres already panic buying, a mate posted a pic today that he took of people in front of him with trolleys full That's not panic buying. There is a second full lockdown coming, which is insane, and could well lead to a total collapse of what is left of the economy. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum. Stocking up is a very sensible thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: When I said 'the lockdowns are certainly having a very negative effect on those with mental health issues' I was not saying that they don't like them; rather I was referring to the fact that it will cause breakdowns and suicides. My solution is to not have a second full lockdown: to cease the scaremongering, protect those of the vulnerable who want to be protected, and let everyone else get on with their lives. Cease destroying the economy, destroying people's jobs, harming those with mental health issues, allow those with cancer, pre-cancer, heart issues and all other medical conditions to access medical care. Cease the censorship of experts and public who question the official narrative. and why should people you deem suitable, should be imprisoned. seems you are swapping one "favourite" victim for another. I dont even see proof of the issues you keep banging on about in large quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: That's not panic buying. There is a second full lockdown coming, which is insane, and could well lead to a total collapse of what is left of the economy. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum. Stocking up is a very sensible thing to do. Sounds like "scaremongering" to me. Edited October 31, 2020 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, onewheeldave said: That's not panic buying. There is a second full lockdown coming, which is insane, and could well lead to a total collapse of what is left of the economy. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum. Stocking up is a very sensible thing to do. 1: Buying trolleys worth of the same item before a lockdown IS panic buying 2: The experts (scientists) have been saying the government are wrong and shouldve actually done one earlier, all week theyve been arguing for one. 3: stocking up in a panic IS NOT sensible, no food shops are closing, theres no supply disruptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, onewheeldave said: That's not panic buying. There is a second full lockdown coming, which is insane, and could well lead to a total collapse of what is left of the economy. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum. Stocking up is a very sensible thing to do. Your solution is to cease the scaremongering by scaremongering? I live across the road from a busy shop and there has been zero panic buying. Or actually any change in behaviour at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Token lockdown to be "Seen" to be doing something. Universities, colleges and secondary schools should also have closed. These people are more understanding of the situation and can continue their studies online. Keep nurseries and junior schools open with their little class bubbles etc. 100% of the training and technical data I need to do my job is online at the moment due to covid , and 95% of it was like this before covid. If modern teaching of the more mature section of the population can't be done online, then they have lied to us about the benefit of the internet for years. It won't be policed (The lockdown that is), it will be abused, waste of time. I still want to know who was still spreading it about during the the first lockdown. Don't answer that as I already know, and it wasn't that kind nurse who sorted your broken arm, or the kid behind the screen at the local supermarket checkout mmmm. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaati Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 If you want to debate Mental Health, then please create a new thread for that. We've asked several times not to go off-topic. Secondly, if you are posting video links, then give some background info as to what is in them as posting them without any info will result in them being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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