Pettytom Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, West 77 said: Ed Balls was on Newscast last night which follows Question Time. It was interesting to hear his opinions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000p3y2/newscast-series-1-05112020 I can’t be bothered to listen to failed dancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmiss Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Pettytom said: I can’t be bothered to listen to failed dancers. Or disgraced Prime Ministers such as Tony Blair advocating mass vaccination using a vaccine that could be 50% effective but has not gone through full evaluation. I’d be at the front of the queue for a vaccine but I’d want it to have gone through full safety and effectiveness scrutiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, catmiss said: Or disgraced Prime Ministers such as Tony Blair advocating mass vaccination using a vaccine that could be 50% effective but has not gone through full evaluation. I’d be at the front of the queue for a vaccine but I’d want it to have gone through full safety and effectiveness scrutiny The safety thing is fine. The vaccines have all been in development for years for one reason or another. They are safe. The big question is, do they work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Oxford vaccine induces antibodies and T cell responses. A coronavirus vaccine should be effective after one or even two vaccinations and work in target populations- including older adults and people with other health conditions. It should give protection for a minimum of six months, and reduce onward transmission of the virus to contacts. (The above is my paraphrasing of part of the Article ) https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-oxford-vaccine-shows-strong-antibody-and-t-cell-immune-response/ Quote it must be recognised that the most effective way to immunise against many infectious diseases is likely to be to employ both cellular and humoral immune responses against the pathogen. The link below describes the importance of T cells in human immune responses and the role of vaccination. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246649/ The Oxford vaccination appears to be enrolling both the humoral and cellular arms of the human immune system. Edited November 7, 2020 by petemcewan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruby Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pettytom said: The safety thing is fine. The vaccines have all been in development for years for one reason or another. They are safe. The big question is, do they work? From what I’ve read, one problem with taking a vaccine which has been fast tracked is it that it could turn people into asymptomatic carriers who spread the virushttps://www.chemistryworld.com/news/what-are-the-risks-of-fast-tracking-a-covid-19-vaccine/4012130.article Amongst other issues. Rolling out a vaccine without full evaluation risks greater costs in the long term than investing a bit more time now. Rushing, panicking and half baked measures releasing and reinstating lockdowns have made a bad situation even worse. We really shouldn’t be taking risks like this with vaccines. Edited November 7, 2020 by redruby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just back from the dog's late walk tonight - Saturday, 8.45 - and couldn't help notice the amount of traffic. It's just like a normal Saturday night... Where've all these people been? What for? Where are these people driving to? Have they all been to supermarkets? They must be doing a roaring trade if so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RiffRaff said: Just back from the dog's late walk tonight - Saturday, 8.45 - and couldn't help notice the amount of traffic. It's just like a normal Saturday night... Where've all these people been? What for? Where are these people driving to? Have they all been to supermarkets? They must be doing a roaring trade if so... .....Jobs, carers, support bubbles, shoppers, childcare, takeaway collections and delivery drivers, taxi drivers and maybe just people who fancied getting out of the house and taking their car for a run out..... loads of potential reasons. 8:45 is certainly not deemed late night by any means. I don't think even the major stores close until after that time, let alone smaller businesses and food service. Edited November 7, 2020 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: .....Jobs, carers, support bubbles, shoppers, childcare, takeaway collections and delivery drivers, taxi drivers and maybe just people who fancied getting out of the house and taking their car for a run out..... loads of potential reasons. 8:45 is certainly not deemed late night by any means. I don't think even the major stores close until after that time, let alone smaller businesses and food service. I think you'll find that with the exception of supermarkets most major stores have been closed for a couple of hours and smaller local businesses still open are mini-markets or off licences where the majority of trade is on foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said: .....Jobs, carers, support bubbles, shoppers, childcare, takeaway collections and delivery drivers, taxi drivers and maybe just people who fancied getting out of the house and taking their car for a run out..... loads of potential reasons. All of which can therefore apply to any night at circa 8.45. The 'stay at home' advice for lockdown2 isn't going to work at that rate. (Incidentally, it's now 10.50pm, and the road - granted, a main one - is still busy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruby Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 8 hours ago, RiffRaff said: All of which can therefore apply to any night at circa 8.45. The 'stay at home' advice for lockdown2 isn't going to work at that rate. (Incidentally, it's now 10.50pm, and the road - granted, a main one - is still busy) It doesn’t feel like a ‘lockdown’ at all. Prof Devi Shridhar has made some excellent points on lockdowns https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/11/devi-sridhar-how-uk-can-avoid-endless-cycle-lockdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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