Coronavirus - Part Two.

[butlers]

On 25/11/2021 at 23:27, top4718 said:

If you haven't yet had the booster yes, you're unvaccinated, absolute farce.

Needless to say ,this is at best,  being misinformed.

Or if aware of the definition a lie

 

 

The definition is quite plain on the nhs site

[top4718]

1 minute ago, butlers said:

Needless to say ,this is at best,  being misinformed.

Or if aware of the definition a lie

 

 

The definition is quite plain on the nhs site

Don't have it then and see how you get on. 

 

Read the article I posted earlier, its so blatantly obvious that this variant is a booster push, its actually laughable.

[Becky B]

4 hours ago, top4718 said:

SA are saying the symptoms are very mild, the restrictions seem to be a sledgehammer to crack a walnut and make absolutely no sense.

Symptoms mild, but potentially more transmissible, thereby leading to greater risk fo fruther mutations which mey then have more severe symptoms

Getting the restrictions in early until more is known about the variant seems reasonable: it's what they didn't do first time round.

3 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Has long Covid disappeared?

Not according to the 850 or so people registered with the Long Covid Hub,  I suppose.

[Carbuncle]

20 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

can you agree any of these-

1. stats and research are prone to corruption/contamination despite the fact that most of the people working on them are genuine and well-intentioned

2. the harms to mental health, economy etc of the civod measures are far greater than is known by most of the public and the pronouncements of the media and govt?

3. the threat from covid has been exaggerated [not necessarily unintentional] and it is not anything approaching the Spanish flu, or indeed the real pandemics that could well be appearing over the next few years.

 

Can you put forward some things you think I may agree with you on?

 

Note how I already agree with you that the people/organisations producing stats are genuine, nevertheless I am far more focused on whether the actual stats themselves are accurate/inaccurate? Though I guess that is progess in that it wasn't clear previously?

How about:

1.1 Health statistics should generally be treated as at minimum somewhat approximate.

1.2 Scientific research, especially single papers, should never be regarded as definitive and unchallengeable.

1.3 One should anticipate some level of corruption/ contamination everywhere. Levels vary hugely.

2.1 The covid measures have had a significant detrimental effect on the economy.

2.2 The covid measures have probably had a significant detrimental effect on domestic abuse and mental health.

2.3 MSM and government pronouncements on the pandemic warrant considerable scepticism due to ulterior motives.

2.4 Politicians frequently fall short in terms of integrity.

3.1 Covid does not match the black death as a threat to human health.

3.2 The mitigated epidemic, at this stage, appears to be less of a threat to human health than the Spanish flu epidemic.

 

Can you put your finger on what worries you about the excess mortality figures? I had thought this would pass muster as, as far I understand it, it relies simply on being able to count deaths as and when they occur.

[Chekhov]

4 hours ago, West 77 said:

The South African president's main concern is the damage that the travel bans will do to the South African economy than anything else.

You talk like that is something unreasonable ! ? ! Wanting to avoid excessive damage to his country's economy is extremely important, every bit as important as some vain attempt to hold back Covid, a virus whose death rate per infection was only between 1 in  100 and 1 in 200 even before vaccines..... He knows that any lives possibly saved through trying to suppress Covid will eb balanced out by lives lost (or cut short) by poverty.

But that is the problem with many people these days, they have no sense of proportion, all they're bothered about is how many people die, regardless of  the damage done to society by any measures trying (very inefficiently in my view) to suppress Covid, or, in fact, the age of those dying from Covid.

[top4718]

6 minutes ago, Becky B said:

Symptoms mild, but potentially more transmissible, thereby leading to greater risk fo fruther mutations which mey then have more severe symptoms

Getting the restrictions in early until more is known about the variant seems reasonable: it's what they didn't do first time round.

Not according to the 850 or so people registered with the Long Covid Hub,  I suppose.

Viruses usually get weaker as they mutate not stronger.

 

850 out 60 million, its not much of a thing is it.

[Chekhov]

2 hours ago, nikki-red said:

My friend/work colleague had covid 13 months ago. She still struggles and has reduced lung capacity.

I do not doubt it but the same applies to other viruses, and particularly for people with certain conditions, like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for instance :

 

People also suffer 'long flu', study shows
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58726775

 

I had a cough just after Xmas for about 2 or 3 months, I think that was "just" a throat infection.

[hackey lad]

3 minutes ago, top4718 said:

Viruses usually get weaker as they mutate not stronger.

 

850 out 60 million, its not much of a thing is it.

Idiot. Think about the people that are ill not your stupid agenda

[Chekhov]

2 hours ago, melthebell said:

since the person who discovered the variant is a doctor and refers to patients.....i think they were in hospital with it, ALTHOUGH the doctor apparently said they could be treated at home with it. we need time to see if that is indeed correct with everybody who catches it

She is  a GP and saw them in her surgery. She said all the infected had mild symptoms.

[Carbuncle]

10 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

2.1 The covid measures have had a significant detrimental effect on the economy.

2.2 The covid measures have probably had a significant detrimental effect on domestic abuse and mental health.

I realise these are ambiguous and worry you, @onewheeldave might interpret them differently than I intend them.