RJRB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, apelike said: I think its because people are seeing through the fallacy that face coverings, as someone put on here, significantly reduce the spread. But... since face covering have been mandatory we have also seen a rise in cases when it should actually be much lower as a result of wearing them, so why is that happening? If they only have a small effect then it’s worth having them.What you cannot quantify is how much greater the transmission would be without them. To call any form of PPE a fallacy is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, apelike said: I think its because people are seeing through the fallacy that face coverings, as someone put on here, significantly reduce the spread. But... since face covering have been mandatory we have also seen a rise in cases when it should actually be much lower as a result of wearing them, so why is that happening? How can they “see through the fallacy”? Especially when there is no fallacy. The antimaskers are antisocial. It’s time to make face coverings compulsory in public places. 1 hour ago, Litotes said: Fallacy? The figures are rising through darwinian selection of those who think they can outrun the virus are actually getting it. These are the same people who reckon that they need a beer more than they need life and while I would personally let them wipe themselves out, they can't control who they pass it on to. So my message - don't become a statistic - wear a mask! Trouble is that it isn’t the mask refusers who suffer. It is those exposed to the mask refusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Litotes said: Fallacy? The figures are rising through darwinian selection of those who think they can outrun the virus are actually getting it. Yes a fallacy, as no one has yet proven that face coverings have any positive affect in helping control the virus and even the Who state that medical grade masks are the ones that work not any old face covering. Edited September 18, 2020 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Wish our police would adopt the Spanish police way if dealing with know nothing anti maskers. Worrying couple of weeks ahead,let's hope the increase in numbers does not lead to much increased hospitalisations Last I saw they reckon 5 percent of population has had exposure to the virus so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pettytom said: How can they “see through the fallacy”? Especially when there is no fallacy. As above in post #1045 2 minutes ago, Pettytom said: The antimaskers are antisocial. It’s time to make face coverings compulsory in public places. You are correct in one sense in that just like any track and trace system the only way it can be effective is if it is compulsory for everyone and with an uptake of 75-80%, but even then only if they are medical grade. 29 minutes ago, RJRB said: To call any form of PPE a fallacy is ridiculous. No its not as this is not a form of PPE unless it also has the data to back up the fact that face coverings work and so far there is no such data. Would you be happy if hospitals and other medical professionals wore face coverings instead of medical grade PPE? Saying they are effective is also leading to people being relaxed when social distancing as they seem to think that face coverings are now stopping the virus. People put them on when travelling on transport, take them off, put them in their pocket and then put them on again when shopping and somehow that is safer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 A city in Germany (Jena) decided to introduce mandatory face coverings & guess what was found “face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.” Debate in UK & US largely ideological at this point. https://t.co/TqXoofDHC x This is from .. Devi Lalita Sridhar is a Professor and Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh. She's advising the Scottish Parliament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, butlers said: Wish our police would adopt the Spanish police way if dealing with know nothing anti maskers. The thing to note here is their laws state medical grade masks and not just any old bit of cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, butlers said: Last I saw they reckon 5 percent of population has had exposure to the virus so far But just to add. If its been 9 months and only 5% have been exposed to the virus because of lockdowns etc then how long will lockdowns have to be in place for? What percentage of infections should we be willing to accept to get back to some sense of normality as at the rate we are going at its going to take many years before lockdowns will be eased. So we have a big problem, do we keep the numbers low by keeping widespread lockdowns in place and extend them indefinitely or do we now start to allow the numbers to rise? Bearing in mind the mortality rate as well. Edited September 18, 2020 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrowsdad Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I am part of the Oxford covid trial in Sheffield and have registered 11 home covid tests over the last 11 weeks. Suddenly today it wont allow me to register my test and keeps taking me to the Gov website to order a home test. Is anyone else having problems registering their home test? The site I am using is www.test-for-coronavirus.service.gov.uk Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) It's a balance ,I guess allow as much freedom.as we can but ensure the hospitals never get swamped. Remember the scenes from Bergamo, Sky report is still on Youtube. 30 vaccines under development so I am staying hopeful That 5 percent number was from maybe 5/6weeks back,with the increase in the test numbers ,I hope is significantly higher. Pretty poor few days from the government again,does not inspire confidence Edited September 18, 2020 by butlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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