Coronavirus - Part Two.

[onewheeldave]

3 hours ago, melthebell said:

That's exactly why it's 28 days after testing positive. You had covid, it probably pushed your body over it's limit, you died because of covid, cause of death, covid, you may have lived a while longer without catching covid

Not in the case discussed. There, there are 2 causal factors- a damaged heart and covid.

 

https://tulip.co/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-a-causal-factor-a-root-cause/#:~:text=A causal factor can be,reduced its severity or frequency.

 

"A causal factor can be defined as any “major unplanned, unintended contributor to an incident (a negative event or undesirable condition), that if eliminated would have either prevented the occurrence of the incident or reduced its severity or frequency. Also known as a critical causal factor or contributing cause.”"

[Longcol]

3 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

Not in the case discussed. There, there are 2 causal factors- a damaged heart and covid.

 

https://tulip.co/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-a-causal-factor-a-root-cause/#:~:text=A causal factor can be,reduced its severity or frequency.

 

"A causal factor can be defined as any “major unplanned, unintended contributor to an incident (a negative event or undesirable condition), that if eliminated would have either prevented the occurrence of the incident or reduced its severity or frequency. Also known as a critical causal factor or contributing cause.”"

You should have included the the rest of the quote in the blog linked to -

 

"A cause influences a process. If the event isn’t related to a causal process, there can’t be a causal factor. For example, “an alteration of the ball (a mark by a pen, perhaps) is carried with it as the ball goes through the air. On the other hand, an alteration of the shadow (insofar as it is possible) will not be transmitted by the shadow as it moves along.”

 

Not really an example of how deaths are recorded on a death certificate is it?

 

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[Longcol]

7 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

In that case it would be unwise to class it as 'death by covid'- there are 2 causal factors there, one is covid, the other is heart damage. Quite possibly, in the absence of covid, the person may have lived. Equally, in the absence of heart damage, the person may well have caught covid and survived unharmed.

Which is totally irrelevant to the cause of death in the case discussed.

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[onewheeldave]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

You should have included the the rest of the quote in the blog linked to -

 

"A cause influences a process. If the event isn’t related to a causal process, there can’t be a causal factor. For example, “an alteration of the ball (a mark by a pen, perhaps) is carried with it as the ball goes through the air. On the other hand, an alteration of the shadow (insofar as it is possible) will not be transmitted by the shadow as it moves along.”

 

Not really an example of how deaths are recorded on a death certificate is it?

 

Nor is it meant to be. It is an explanation of the concept of causal factors.

49 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Which is totally irrelevant to the cause of death in the case discussed.

Hardly- the case was someone with a 'dodgy ticker' [damaged heart] and covid 

On 12/10/2021 at 11:21, melthebell said:

 

Again, you do know how covid works and what it does? its different to flu, flu is respiratory, whereas covid can affect every organ in your body including heart and brain, if you have a dodgy ticker, covid can put additional stress on it which may give you a heart attack, so you died of a heart attack, BUT if you were found to have had covid 28 days preceeding they know covid probably played a part.

 

[Longcol]

1 minute ago, onewheeldave said:

Nor is it meant to be. It is an explanation of the concept of causal factors.

Therefore nowt to do with covid stats then.

 

Glad that's cleared up.

[onewheeldave]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

Therefore nowt to do with covid stats then.

 

Glad that's cleared up.

Causal factors are very relevant to covid stats. Just because a person dies within 28 days of contracting covid, it does not necessarily follow that covid was the cause of death- there may be several causal factors eg damaged heart or other underlying condition.

As long as the person would not have died if the non covid condition had been absent, then covid was not the  cause of death.

[Longcol]

12 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

Causal factors are very relevant to covid stats. Just because a person dies within 28 days of contracting covid, it does not necessarily follow that covid was the cause of death- there may be several causal factors eg damaged heart or other underlying condition.

As long as the person would not have died if the non covid condition had been absent, then covid was not the  cause of death.

Which is why I've posted previously how deaths are recorded on UK death certificates and the underlying cause of death is covid in 90% plus  of covid related deaths.

 

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/476263-mask-required/page/52/?tab=comments#comment-8432948

 

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/476544-ivermectin-drug-that-cures-covid-quetions/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-8434774

 

and there are more...................................................................................

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[melthebell]

On 15/10/2021 at 10:49, altus said:

Trading insults, probably not. Refuting their continual false claims, absolutely. If the only people talking about conspiracy theories are their proponents they'll spread wider.

Exactly, they don't use or heed evidence or facts but like racists etc mustn't be ignored

[El Cid]

Bacterial pneumonia is an infection of your lungs caused by certain bacteria. The most common one is Streptococcus (pneumococcus), but other bacteria can cause it too. If you’re young and basically healthy, these bacteria can live in your throat without causing any trouble. But if your body’s defenses (immune system) become weak for some reason, the bacteria can go down into your lungs. When this happens, the air sacs in your lungs get infected and inflamed. They fill up with fluid, and that causes pneumonia.

 

I just came accross the above. I have had catarrh  for weeks/months, it just sounds like the above "live in your throat", which is what I have.

[Guest sibon]

35 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Bacterial pneumonia is an infection of your lungs caused by certain bacteria. The most common one is Streptococcus (pneumococcus), but other bacteria can cause it too. If you’re young and basically healthy, these bacteria can live in your throat without causing any trouble. But if your body’s defenses (immune system) become weak for some reason, the bacteria can go down into your lungs. When this happens, the air sacs in your lungs get infected and inflamed. They fill up with fluid, and that causes pneumonia.

 

I just came accross the above. I have had catarrh  for weeks/months, it just sounds like the above "live in your throat", which is what I have.

Get used to the idea. You aren’t an individual organism, more a metropolis of (mostly) mutually beneficial living things.

 

An ecosystem if you like. But you are certainly not just you.