Baron99 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, RJRB said: Nothing particularly new or surprising in there but more of a preamble for the government to follow up with whatever measures they deem fit to impose. The basic rules of hygiene and sensible social distancing remain the same for most people whilst the Cabinet has to balance the economy against the health of the nation. I don’t think that there should be much confusion in understanding the day to day rules which apply in a particular area,but there has been much evidence of a lack of truth and consistency over the last few months. Statistics have been manipulated and absurd promises made concerning testing which remains the major failure of the government Well I don't recall either Whitty or Vallance commenting on test & tracing situation but then again, these two things have been used as political ping-pong with various figures banded about & what we had here are a couple of men of science who only deal in facts. Clearly what we had today was the facts & now we await the policy. The PM will use today's info briefing, tomorrow in his address to the nation, either impose a tightening of the lockdown screw or use it as a last & final warning of a future lockdown? I think the hospitality industry will take a bit of a hit again in some way? Think back to the televised briefing when the national lockdown was lifted a couple of months ago which Whitty spoke at & all the talk was optimistic & about getting yourself out to the pubs & restaurants to spend money & rejuvenate that sector of the economy, albeit with caveats of maintaining social distancing & regular hand washing? I remember the look on Whitty's face that he didn't look entirely happy being at that press conference. Also at this press conference, it was clearly stated that if people failed to follow the social distancing / hygiene advice & the numbers started to climb, restrictions would be re-imposed, with pubs & restaurants taking a hit at the expense of keeping the schools & other areas of industry open. Edited September 21, 2020 by Baron99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Well, I see this mornings briefing by the scientists was, quite simply, an opportunity missed. The opportunity to engage people who are fed up with the politicians, especially the key 18-40 age range. I was bored by the end of it, and if I was, those considerably younger than me would have been. Why didn't they focus on facts close to them, such as the report that the huge rise in infections in Bolton was traced to one bloke coming home from holiday, ignoring 14-days of self-isolation, going out boozing with his mates and infecting them, and those out drinking in different pubs as they went on a pub crawl. I posted this link at post #1094 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-54205353 Add that to the fines for ignoring self-isolation, and the ability to report people for lock-down breaches, and you should see a big effect on attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 hours ago, melthebell said: God you lot argue some crap Love it, must admit its been very petty and pedantic recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Thirsty Relic said: .... Add that to the fines for ignoring self-isolation, and the ability to report people for lock-down breaches, and you should see a big effect on attitudes. I'm not sure you would to be honest. Handing out £10,000 fines to people who may not be working because they have lost their job as a result of lockdown is a bit daft and the rule of 6 is daft. A lot of people are not happy about the draconian laws designed to control the masses either and wanting people to snitch on each other. It may be years yet before an effective vaccine is produced and it may also take years to evaluate its long term efficacy. If this is similar to the flu then it also means having jabs every year. Herd immunity may still be the answer and maybe letting the infection numbers grow in a controlled way would be better than having national lockdowns and laws in place for many years. Edited September 21, 2020 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, apelike said: I'm not sure you would to be honest. Handing out £10,000 fines to people who may not be working because they have lost their job as a result of lockdown is a bit daft and the rule of 6 is daft. A lot of people are not happy about the draconian laws designed to control the masses either and wanting people to snitch on each other. It may be years yet before an effective vaccine is produced and it may also take years to evaluate its long term efficacy. If this is similar to the flu then it also means having jabs every year. Herd immunity may still be the answer and maybe letting the infection numbers grow in a controlled way would be better than having national lockdowns and laws in place for many years. There's not even any concrete evidence that you're immune after having it yet, and if it's clever, which it supposedly is, it may mutate faster than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamezone07 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I hope the volunteering which was on a massive scale in Sheffield and across the Uk during Covid1, can happen again, but times are different, for example, a number will now be unemployed, and the DWP does not allow 'freelance' volunteering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron99 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) So from this Thursday, all pubs, bars & restaurants will close at 10pm. Clearly a move not to fully hit the hospitality sector & avoid fully flattening this section of the economy. Yes people may go out a little earlier but it will put restrictions on late night hospitality businesses, perhaps designed to stop the younger, more socially active end of the population from formally gathering, especially when coupled with restrictions on the numbers allowed to gather & be in your social bubble, increased fines, social distancing & having to be seated in drinking establishments. Well its clear that although the Govt has tried to treat the population as adults, its beyond a minority of the population, so they'll have to suffer along with the majority now. Edited September 21, 2020 by Baron99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmiss Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I do feel for the younger generation who are having their social life (I can remember how important that was) curtailed when the virus doesn’t badly affect the majority of them. The students are returning and are having largely IT based tuition but still face the same fees. School kids have lost months of education and face losing more if anyone in their bubble becomes infected and can’t do many of their normal social activities. All this and being blamed for the current rise in infection and having the responsibility ‘not to kill your granny’ I think we may be facing a big demand for the already stretched young people’s mental health services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 9 hours ago, catmiss said: I do feel for the younger generation who are having their social life (I can remember how important that was) curtailed when the virus doesn’t badly affect the majority of them. The students are returning and are having largely IT based tuition but still face the same fees. School kids have lost months of education and face losing more if anyone in their bubble becomes infected and can’t do many of their normal social activities. All this and being blamed for the current rise in infection and having the responsibility ‘not to kill your granny’ I think we may be facing a big demand for the already stretched young people’s mental health services Ah diddums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Deaths in the UK have now dropped from 27 to 11 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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