Coronavirus - Part Two.

[Chekhov]

11 hours ago, top4718 said:

Remember when "conspiracy theorists" mentioned all this being a lead in to digital ID's and social credit system, the Government has announced that its bringing in a "wristband" and a points based reward system for exercise, healthy eating etc.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................

There is some logic to this. If the government want to alter our behaviour as regards Covid, in order to either save lives or "protect the NHS" ( I thought they were supposed to protect us ? ), then "encouraging" us to be fitter and/or slimmer and/or stop smoking etc would make far more difference than trying to get people vaccinated against Covid.

[fools]

There is no logic to it, a glorified pedometer isn't going to help people lose weight or stop them stuffing their faces. Nanny sate nonsense. The price of cigarettes has more to do with stopping people smoking than any other measure. Perhaps they should tax those (advertised as healthy) sugar laden smoothies out of existence too.

 

To combat obesity, people need to know the calories they are consuming. Everything you buy in a supermarket should have the calorie count in 1 inch high letters prominently displayed, not hidden away on the back, or obfuscated with misleading calories per portion figures. Step count does nothing to prevent obesity.

Edited November 24, 2021 by fools

[onewheeldave]

14 hours ago, Kidorry said:

I just gave my experience and not other peoples. And don`t be so clever.

In the context of replying to someone pointing out that lockdowns had had very negative effects on cancer treatments

19 hours ago, Kidorry said:

All my cancer appointments have gone the same as before so I don`t know where tops get his information from. Probably makes it up like all his comments

which is invalid [as reasoning] because the fact that you've been lucky is totally irrelevant to the reality that many, many people have missed out on cancer diagnoses and treatment due to the lockdowns. 

Anyway, if you looked at the link I posted, from the Lancet, you will now be aware that there is plenty of data out there showing that a lot of people lost access to cancer diagnoses and treatment during lockdown.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by onewheeldave

[onewheeldave]

1 hour ago, top4718 said:

The thin end of the wedge maybe:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-pilot-to-help-people-eat-better-and-exercise-more

On the positive side, when it comes to covid, improving the health and habits of the general population should be an absolute priority.

 

That would also help minimise many of the 'lifestyle diseases' like type 2 diabetes, obesity, CHD etc, which are leading 'underlying conditions' that greatly increase morbidity with covid.

 

Whether anything the govt come out with in terms of 'apps' and wristbands will be of much use seems doubtful, but, even if it gets some of the sheep to walk a bit more and think about the amount of junk they put into themselves, it should help.

 

Hopefully it will bring into the covid debate that which has been severely lacking- a focus on the how our nations abysmal public health has been a huge contributing factor in the covid mortality statistics.

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by onewheeldave

[Chekhov]

"No10 will consider scrapping Covid tests for ALL travellers in January as aviation minister says he wants to see travel industry 'bounce back' from pandemic"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230745/No10-consider-scrapping-Covid-tests-travellers-January.html

 

Not that travel restrictions have achieved anything at all anyway, other then inconveniencing millions of people and pandering to fear and ignorance.

Even AUS couldn't keep out the Delta variant, and, in any case, vaccines are effective at stopping serious illness with all known variants of Covid. These are just facts.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Chekhov

[Chekhov]

The Left's Covid failure - UnHerd

 

Interesting essay on how the Left's attitude to Covid suppression with a very good analysis of the Left's support of COVID measures, and in particular reasons as to why they seem to support interventions that [negatively] affect the working class most,

 

Extract :

As writers who have always positioned ourselves on the Left, we are disturbed at this turn of events. Is there really no progressive criticism to be made about the quarantining of healthy individuals, when the latest research suggests there is a vanishingly small difference in terms of transmission between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated? The Left’s response to Covid now appears as part of a broader crisis in Left-wing politics and thought — one which has been going on for three decades at least. So it’s important to identify the process through which this has taken shape.

In sum, decades of political polarisation instantly politicised a public health issue, without allowing any discussion as to what a coherent Left response would be. At the same time, the Left’s position distanced it from any kind of working-class base, since low-income workers were the most severely affected by the socio-economic impacts of continued lockdown policies, and were also those most likely to be out working while the laptop class benefitted from Zoom. These same political fault lines emerged during the vaccine roll-out, and now during the Covid passports phase. Resistance associates with the Right, while those on the mainstream Left are generally supportive of both measures. Opposition is demonised as a confused mixture of anti-science irrationalism and individualistic libertarianism.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Chekhov

[melthebell]

26 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

The Left's Covid failure - UnHerd

 

Interesting essay on how the Left's attitude to Covid suppression with a very good analysis of the Left's support of COVID measures, and in particular reasons as to why they seem to support interventions that [negatively] affect the working class most,

 

Extract :

As writers who have always positioned ourselves on the Left, we are disturbed at this turn of events. Is there really no progressive criticism to be made about the quarantining of healthy individuals, when the latest research suggests there is a vanishingly small difference in terms of transmission between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated? The Left’s response to Covid now appears as part of a broader crisis in Left-wing politics and thought — one which has been going on for three decades at least. So it’s important to identify the process through which this has taken shape.

In sum, decades of political polarisation instantly politicised a public health issue, without allowing any discussion as to what a coherent Left response would be. At the same time, the Left’s position distanced it from any kind of working-class base, since low-income workers were the most severely affected by the socio-economic impacts of continued lockdown policies, and were also those most likely to be out working while the laptop class benefitted from Zoom. These same political fault lines emerged during the vaccine roll-out, and now during the Covid passports phase. Resistance associates with the Right, while those on the mainstream Left are generally supportive of both measures. Opposition is demonised as a confused mixture of anti-science irrationalism and individualistic libertarianism.

Errrm yeah, right

[top4718]

3 hours ago, onewheeldave said:

On the positive side, when it comes to covid, improving the health and habits of the general population should be an absolute priority.

 

That would also help minimise many of the 'lifestyle diseases' like type 2 diabetes, obesity, CHD etc, which are leading 'underlying conditions' that greatly increase morbidity with covid.

 

Whether anything the govt come out with in terms of 'apps' and wristbands will be of much use seems doubtful, but, even if it gets some of the sheep to walk a bit more and think about the amount of junk they put into themselves, it should help.

 

Hopefully it will bring into the covid debate that which has been severely lacking- a focus on the how our nations abysmal public health has been a huge contributing factor in the covid mortality statistics.

 

In essence this is probably a reasonable idea but it could also be a way to shoo in more control under the banner of health, for now its treats for compliance it could just as easily be penalties for non compliance.

[Carbuncle]

2 hours ago, Chekhov said:

Not that travel restrictions have achieved anything at all anyway, other then inconveniencing millions of people and pandering to fear and ignorance.

Even AUS couldn't keep out the Delta variant, and, in any case, vaccines are effective at stopping serious illness with all known variants of Covid. These are just facts.

I am not sure the UK's travel restrictions have achieved a great deal but they could have. In March 2020, the UK imported thousands of cases of covid amongst the tourists returning from Italy, France and Spain (according to COGS, the covid genomic sequencers. Had there been restrictions in place, covid in the UK would not have been stopped but it would have been delayed. Bearing in mind a week's delay in the first lockdown is estimated to have cost ten or twenty thousand lives that delay would have been very valuable. We could also have delayed delta's rise in the UK with travel restrictions with the effect that we would have been further advanced in the vaccination programme before we faced the full force of delta.

 

Australia is a clear case of the value of travel restrictions. They managed to delay having a significant epidemic until their vaccination programme was well advanced and saved a lot of lives as a result.

[top4718]

As most on here will know Sheffield United's John Fleck sadly collapsed on the pitch last night and looked to be in some distress, it may not be connected but this is the 3rd player in a short period of time (there are more in world football) that have collapsed, we've also had the death of a fan at a Stoke City game and fans collapsing at Luton Town, Salford, two fans at WBA v Bristol City and another at the Salford  Dagenham FA cup tie all in the space of a few weeks.

 

It could of course be just a coincidence that these have occurred after the wholesale administering of a vaccine with links to myocarditis but if I was a betting man........................................

 

Get well soon John Fleck.

Edited November 24, 2021 by top4718