melthebell Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbuncle Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Chekhov said: Can we have a figure please Carbuncle ? Multiple choice to make it easier ? A - 100% of people dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test actually died of Covid B - 90% of people dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test actually died of Covid C - 80% of people dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test actually died of Covid D - 70% of people dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test actually died of Covid Which one is closest to your estimation ? And what is your evidence for your answer ? After all, I linked to evidence for mine (at 75%). I do not have an estimate for the percentage of people dying within 28 days of a positive covid test who actually died of covid [and I never said I did]. I do not even think 'died of covid' can sensibly be defined. 'Died of covid' is an approximate kind of thing. For what it is worth, over the first few months of the pandemic the excess mortality rose to around 60 000 in the period the 'died with covid' statistic made its way to 40 000. [This comes from data on Our World in Data.] Now ... in reference to your Telegraph article, have you worked out whether you have misinterpreted it or whether the Telegraph article itself was wrong? You have read the article, haven't you? I'm going to guess you have read and misinterpreted it but then I have not seen it because it is behind a paywall. Edited December 1, 2021 by Carbuncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, L00b said: what proportion of the UK population should be sacrificed on the altar of unbridled liberalism? What proportion do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, makapaka said: What proportion do you think? Not sure why you’re asking me (I’m not the poster guesstimating percentages, Chekhov was), nor why you edited my post to make it look as if I’d asked that question. Why don’t you explain that to me first, and we’ll take it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 hours ago, makapaka said: What do you mean what am I doing? What are you doing. Are you wearing a mask, have you had the jabs , do you social distance, hand washing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, makapaka said: What proportion do you think? No one should be “sacrificed “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, L00b said: Could we therefore take it, reasonably, that masking in public and social distancing are less taxing on the individual, in terms of civil liberty curtailment (on a voluntary basis moreover) than the blackout-, ARP- and assorted other wartime-era curtailments of the time? Nuff said. If it were on a voluntary basis then if people chose to do it (even if the evidence is mixed as to its effectiveness) then they should be free to do so. Similarly, if I consider all this suppression to be disproportionate to the risk and just want to live my life that should be down to me. The problem we have is there are too many people more frightened of Covid than they rationally should be, i.e. their knowledge of risk probability is sadly lacking and/or their risk aversion is (to me) excessive, and they are trying to suppress my life to match their risk aversion level. NO. 2 hours ago, L00b said: Well, isn’t that just mightily generous of you, to decide what proportion of the UK population should be sacrificed on the altar of unbridled liberalism? 😏 TBH I don't even know what you mean by that. And I would not call it "unbridled liberalism" to simply be able to go about my business without having to wear a mask. Or indeed be allowed to go about my lawful business full stop. 2 hours ago, RJRB said: >>But on the subject of making sacrifices fighting for freedom, what kid of freedom have we had for much of the last two years ? And, in fact, there is a significant minority (maybe even a slight majority) who are in favour of vaccine passports and even compulsory vaccination. I wonder whet those who died fighting for freedom would think about that ? Funnily enough I saw an ex-forces guy in a T Shirt in Oxford this last June on it were the words "I didn't serve in the forces for 15 years for this kind of freedom". Unanswerable I'd have thought.....<< That’s jingoistic rubbish. It really isn't. Your answer is to avoid answering 2 hours ago, Carbuncle said: I do not have an estimate for the percentage of people dying within 28 days of a positive covid test who actually died of covid [and I never said I did]. I do not even think 'died of covid' can sensibly be defined. 'Died of covid' is an approximate kind of thing. On that we can definitely agree. Edited December 1, 2021 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Chekhov said: On that we will have to disagree. But on the subject of making sacrifices fighting for freedom, what kid of freedom have we had for much of the last two years ? And, in fact, there is a significant minority (maybe even a slight majority) who are in favour of vaccine passports and even compulsory vaccination. I wonder whet those who died fighting for freedom would think about that ? Funnily enough I saw an ex-forces guy in a T Shirt in Oxford this last June on it were the words "I didn't serve in the forces for 15 years for this kind of freedom". Unanswerable I'd have thought..... Why is it unanswerable? Why does serving in the forces give you some special knowledge or right to decide what is or isn't permissible? I'm struggling to see how serving in forces and the current covid restrictions are in any way linked or related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chekhov said: Nuff said. It really isn't. Your answer is to avoid answering There is really little to answer but in a very long thread there are more than enough emotion driven comments without raising “our brave lads” and veiled references to WW2. Any soldier having served 15 years gave up his personal freedoms on signing on in order to give unquestioning service to the government of the day. The truth is that most of us sacrifice some personal freedoms.Thats how society functions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Today’s bulletin. Co Op Stannington. 6 customers in the shop .All wearing a mask = 100% compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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