Pettytom Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Longcol said: It would appear infection rates in many northern cities are decreasing and and going up in towns and suburbs. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-rates-infections-england-cities-towns-manchester-newcastle-b1156024.html That’s one of the worries. The other one being that as well as changing geographically, they are also changing by age group. So the student surge is beginning to affect older people 31 minutes ago, ormester said: Have you worked out how much 60 million per person is 35 pounds let's hope Dan jarvis actually gets more tier 3 =mass enemployment I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with you before. Welcome aboard comrade 😀 The total cost of what seems like mayhem, is actually less than £2500 each. That’s for everything since the Wuhan bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Pettytom said: That’s one of the worries. The other one being that as well as changing geographically, they are also changing by age group. So the student surge is beginning to affect older people Not altogether sure this is all down to the "student surge" everywhere. For example Blackburn, Barnsley and Blackpool are mentioned as places with a large increase- not places you'd associate with students. The latter possibly due to tourism, but the first two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, ormester said: Have you worked out how much 60 million per person is 35 pounds let's hope Dan jarvis actually gets more tier 3 =mass enemployment Why would I need to? I don't believe for one second that going into tier 3 automatically equals that every single person in a region is going to be out of a job and unable to earn a living. I don't believe that every single business is suddenly going to be on a knife edge and on the brink of of closing the doors forever. Rising above all the hysteria and anti-government rhetoric, a simple reading of the rules shows that shops, offices, schools, universities, public services, transport all remain open. Even in the the obviously more precarious world of hospitality, certain venues, particularly those serving food will still be able to do at least some business. Add on the fact that many people are already or will be able to work from home and carry on with their jobs as normal - it is blindingly obvious that not everybody is going to necessarily be financially impacted. For those who are genuinely suffering hardship that is what the financial support is there for. They are quite rightly the ones entitled to it - but it's not some windfall for the masses. Its support for those people and businesses who actually need it. Instead of people and certain politicians making meaningless per person comparisons to portray a negative image and manipulate the press why don't they spend some of that time properly assessing how many and for how long . Edited October 20, 2020 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Longcol said: Not altogether sure this is all down to the "student surge" everywhere. For example Blackburn, Barnsley and Blackpool are mentioned as places with a large increase- not places you'd associate with students. The latter possibly due to tourism, but the first two? Maybe not. But Sheffield, Manchester, Nottingham, Newcastle, Gateshead are all places with high infection rates and increasing rates amongst older people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: Instead of people and certain politicians making meaningless per person comparisons to portray a negative image and manipulate the press why don't they spend some of that time properly assessing and estimating how many will actually need it and how long they will actually need it for. How much do you think they will need? How long do you think they will need it for? You seem to have strong opinions on this, or it might just be a knee jerk defence of the government. I’m assuming that you’ve spent a bit of time salivating over your calculator. My assessment is that minimum wage is a minimum. And that people deserve to be treated with dignity. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Announcement on South Yorkshire possibly going into Tier 3 later this morning according to Robert Jenrick. Looks like I'll be missing out on my annual trip to Whitby for the first time in 11 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, taxman said: Announcement on South Yorkshire possibly going into Tier 3 later this morning according to Robert Jenrick. Looks like I'll be missing out on my annual trip to Whitby for the first time in 11 years. But it is honest Bob that said it. So there is a 50% chance that it isn’t true. Let’s all hope it isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrotequila Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just confirmed that Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley and Doncaster will be moving into tier 3 from 1 minute past midnight Friday into Saturday. No confirmation yet on how long for however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Pettytom said: How much do you think they will need? How long do you think they will need it for? You seem to have strong opinions on this, or it might just be a knee jerk defence of the government. I’m assuming that you’ve spent a bit of time salivating over your calculator. My assessment is that minimum wage is a minimum. And that people deserve to be treated with dignity. What do you think? I fully agree with this. I also think that the minimum wage should be the legal minimum that working people are ever expected to live on when prevented from working through no fault of their own. Especially when Boris Johnson says he is struggling to manage on his salary. This government has turned out to be as uncaring as all previous Tory governments and we still have too many "I'm all right Jacks" who are happy enough to see it happening. I sincerely hope that the rich are the ones who are going to pay all this back rather than the usual victims, the poor. That's why the better off would sooner see the poor struggle than give them the support they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Pyrotequila said: Just confirmed that Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley and Doncaster will be moving into tier 3 from 1 minute past midnight Friday into Saturday. No confirmation yet on how long for however. Sheffield covid cases are already falling. 7 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: I fully agree with this. I also think that the minimum wage should be the legal minimum that working people are ever expected to live on when prevented from working through no fault of their own. Especially when Boris Johnson says he is struggling to manage on his salary. This government has turned out to be as uncaring as all previous Tory governments and we still have too many "I'm all right Jacks" who are happy enough to see it happening. I sincerely hope that the rich are the ones who are going to pay all this back rather than the usual victims, the poor. That's why the better off would sooner see the poor struggle than give them the support they need. all of the money used to support covid has been electronically printed. No borrowing involved, except from our own magic money tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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