andyofborg Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Dardandec said: Token lockdown to be "Seen" to be doing something. Universities, colleges and secondary schools should also have closed. These people are more understanding of the situation and can continue their studies online. Keep nurseries and junior schools open with their little class bubbles etc. 100% of the training and technical data I need to do my job is online at the moment due to covid , and 95% of it was like this before covid. If modern teaching of the more mature section of the population can't be done online, then they have lied to us about the benefit of the internet for years distance learning of the more mature section of the population was sorted 60 years ago before we had an internet and all this technology. it should be much easier now. maybe it hasn't been picked up by the mainstream media or maybe they thought this was only going to be a short term situation so the investment wasn't worth it but i'd expected greater moves in this direction. i've heard interviews with teachers and such like and the penetration of the technology needed to do this into the schoolchildren's environments isn't as great as people outside education think. there are ways of extending the tech but that will require some investment both in personal equipment for the children and possibly some publicish wifi infrastructure, which would hopefully have a wider benefit. but there will always be children who for all sorts of reasons will be out of reach of the technology for no fault of their own and there must be a solution which provides them with a safe, high quality education. This is probably the most important thing and probably harder then the tech to achieve. 7 hours ago, Dardandec said: I still want to know who was still spreading it about during the the first lockdown. Don't answer that as I already know, and it wasn't that kind nurse who sorted your broken arm, or the kid behind the screen at the local supermarket checkout mmmm. What a mess. Do you know or don't you? If you do know then why not share it with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, andyofborg said: Do you know or don't you? If you do know then why not share it with us. That’s a question that needs a wide ranging answer. We could all do with knowing who, why, where and how the virus gets spread. At the moment, the Government seem to be keeping this secret. It’s not good enough and it is time that they published what they know, in an accessible form. That way, we could all make reasoned judgments about our behaviour. At the moment, I’ve no idea whether catching the bus is more risky than going to the pub, or the shops. I’d like to know. I’m sure I’m not alone. Edited November 1, 2020 by Pettytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, andyofborg said: Do you know or don't you? If you do know then why not share it with us. Pretty much answered it to be fair in my post. People not abiding by the lockdown rules. Only takes a small percentage and bingo, when everything opens up again it all kicks off, which is exactly what has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRESLEY Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I think its a well established fact that this is going to keep coming back infact never going away, until a vaccine comes along and then it'll be treated like the normal flu, so mean time, as we all know its just a case of using your head and keeping as safe as you possibly can, for them who have had the the mild form of the virus and think they are immune or the people that think because they are young enough for the virus to have no serious effect on them, get a grip and abide the rules and stop being so flipping selfish, this is probably one of main reason we keep losing control of this nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, enntee said: I fully agree, but more particularly: who are being hospitalised and how/where were they infected? if track and trace worked then maybe we'd know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 22 hours ago, Bargepole23 said: How do small businesses, already struggling, find the staffing and money to do that? Not saying I disagree with you, but as always, the devil is in the detail. Can you give some examples? Most big buildings have receptions. Shops with low footfall like hairdressers can do it themselves. High St shops have staff stood around now doing nothing because there aren't many shoppers. A temperature gun costs £30 and takes 2 seconds to do. They are managing to do this in other countries, and have control of the virus. If we don't take these kinds of measures, it will just keep coming back, as we've seen in the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuteWitness Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, *_ash_* said: Can you give some examples? Most big buildings have receptions. Shops with low footfall like hairdressers can do it themselves. High St shops have staff stood around now doing nothing because there aren't many shoppers. A temperature gun costs £30 and takes 2 seconds to do. They are managing to do this in other countries, and have control of the virus. If we don't take these kinds of measures, it will just keep coming back, as we've seen in the last few months. doesn't paracetamol lower temperature ? how effective are the guns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Re. the temperature monitoring - this is one way in which China (and other SE Asian countries) has managed to catch any flare-ups. It is a crude tool (walking into work, a classroom, a restaurant - literally everywhere - you get your temperature taken) but it seems to work. Here is the kicker though: People that have a raised temperature get tested, almost immediately, and get a result within 24 hours. They stay at home during that time. If the test is negative they probably have another reason for a raised temperature and they will get a call from a medical professional (usually a GP nurse) to discuss other symptoms so they can work out where the temperature comes from, get prescribed medicine and when better can go back into the 'system'. We don't have the ability to test that much or that quickly, we don't have a competent system to complete the track and trace aspect, never mind the follow up call for those with a raised temperature. We don't have the ability to mass test an entire city of 9 million people in under 2 days. Much of that is down to political incompetence. The £12 billion for the app was quite literally spaffed up a wall where all the henchmen stood ready to benefit, linked by the Jockey Club and other elitist institutions that monopolise power in this country to the incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuteWitness Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Well amazon must be making a fortune delivering all these covid tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, MuteWitness said: Well amazon must be making a fortune delivering all these covid tests. During the last lockdown the local council were taking nurses to peopples homes, doing the test, job done. Maybe that was just for people going into hospital? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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