redruby Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Thirsty Relic said: Vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Sadly, there are many people out there who believe they are somehow immune to catching or spreading Covid once they've had their jabs. As I understand it, nobody is claiming that any vaccine totally stops infection, only that it is likely to mitigate bad outcomes from it. Similarly with passing it on. (a vaccinated person) "is less likely to transmit it to someone else". "since the vaccines don't provide 100% protection from infection, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that people continue to wear masks and social distance even after they've been vaccinated". https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-vaccinated-people-coronavirus.html Absolutely and I wasn’t suggesting otherwise. There is now evidence that vaccine help reduce transmission though. So the places covid can spread most easily are unvaccinated groups (most people under 50) and indoors (that will be workplaces and school for some). The effectiveness of vaccines has actually exceeded the expectations of scientists but other measures need to stay in place until most people are fully vaccinated. Not many in the UK have had their two vaccines yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Source: Renegade Ink. RT. Interviewee. Andra Taylor (might be wrong spelling).Assiatant Director-at some place. Context: Vaccine nationalism. "pausing vaccination programmes so that the rest of the world can catch up". I would appreciate it if any of you clever people on this thread,could explain to me what she is on about. EU may hold back on millions of vaccines to the UK. Such action would definitely pause the UK programme. The centralised procurement programme in Europe has failed. France has gone crackers with respect to Astrazenca. Changing the rules on a daily basis. You couldn't script this nonsense. Edited March 22, 2021 by petemcewan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Meldrew Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, petemcewan said: France has gone crackers with respect to Astrazenca. Changing the rules on a daily basis. You couldn't script this nonsense. Interesting though that the CEO of AZ is French (Pascal Soriot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Victor, That is interesting. I wonder why Pascal cannot disabuse the authorities of their reluctance to give the vaccine to under 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, petemcewan said: Source: Renegade Ink. RT. Interviewee. Andra Taylor (might be wrong spelling).Assiatant Director-at some place. Context: Vaccine nationalism. "pausing vaccination programmes so that the rest of the world can catch up". I would appreciate it if any of you clever people on this thread,could explain to me what she is on about. EU may hold back on millions of vaccines to the UK. Such action would definitely pause the UK programme. The centralised procurement programme in Europe has failed. France has gone crackers with respect to Astrazenca. Changing the rules on a daily basis. You couldn't script this nonsense. There are several issues. The quality of the Russian vaccines is covered by British Medical Journey March 18th:Covid-19: What do we know about Sputnik V and other Russian vaccines? Putin has lost some of his popularity in recent times and is very keen to associate himself at home and globally(through his mouth piece-RT) with the Russian vaccine being freely available at home and abroad. Andrea Taylor is an Assistant Director Duke Global Health Innovation Center and has been published widely published eg Vaccinationalism will prolong pandemic (November) In Europe, individual countries and organizations are replying to criticism that they did not act quickly enough. BBC on Covid vaccines today : EU tussle with UK over AstraZeneca escalates Latest from the Washington Post: Two doses of AstraZeneca’s vaccine were 79 percent effective at preventing the symptoms of covid-19. That's according to newly released clinical trial results, which enrolled more than 32,000 people — many of whom lived in the United States. The AstraZeneca vaccine protected 100 percent against severe illness. Edited March 22, 2021 by Annie Bynnol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Annie Bynnol Thank you for all those valuable links. It's hard not to view RT as a propaganda platform and not really a news outlet. I read the A.Taylor article. Most of it IMO is rhetoric but the following has the most value. Quote High-income countries should also work with Covax, as a global coordinator, to ensure that, once their populations are covered, excess doses are redeployed where they are needed most around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, petemcewan said: I would appreciate it if any of you clever people on this thread,could explain to me what she is on about. Just an observation from looking at recent media, wherein the argument seems to be that: - The UK's acquisition, by means unclear, of additional vaccine flow compared to the EU was perfectly legitimate, and the EU should suck it up. - The EU, using its own legal powers to control the flow of vaccines, is illegitimate and constitutes a metaphorical act of war against the UK. Various theories have been advanced about why supply was tilted towards the UK, including a reference to an earlier (May) contract, but nothing incontrovertible. The whole argument stoking vaccine nationalism is pathetically ill-informed and polarising, whoever pushes it, and whether in Western Europe or further east. Always ask yourself: who profits from this? There’s no need of ‘being clever’ at all, to answer that. Just take a step back and think for yourself 🙂 Edited March 23, 2021 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steved32 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) So our esteemed Secretary of State for Health and Social Care opines that all staff in nursing homes have a "duty of care" to ensure they are vaccinated. Where was his "duty of care" in the PPE fiasco last year? Hidden behind the lie, "We've placed a protective ring around care homes." Like hell they did. Edited March 23, 2021 by steved32 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, steved32 said: So our esteemed Secretary of State for Health and Social Care opines that all staff in nursing homes have a "duty of care" to ensure they are vaccinated. Where was his "duty of care" in the PPE fiasco last year? Hidden behind the lie, "We've placed a protective ring around care homes." Like hell they did. I thought we were woefully short of staff in nursing homes? Now we are thinking of sacking staff who refuse vaccination (I vaguely remember 20% being the figure quoted once by a Government official). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I'm curious as to why they won't be vaccinated. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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