Becky B Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 18 hours ago, sibon said: There have been about 90 occurrences of blood clots. That’s about 0.0004% of vaccinated people going on to get blood clots. Of course, that’s not the whole story. The percentage for young women is higher and for old men, it is lower. It’s not very big for either though I've heard, though I can't quote the source right at this moment, that the risk of blood clot from the AZ vaccine is less than the risk caused by the contraceptive pill, and young women consider that an acceptable risk. Also, Covid-19 itself increases the risk of blood clots. Guidance for primary care services in Sheffield includes checking post-Covid patients are on anticoagulant medication when discharged from hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 If anyone is interested, from today people can get free lateral flow tests. From 9 April, kits will be available through: Community testing sites operated by local authorities Collection from a nearby PCR test site during specific time windows Existing workplace testing programmes An online home ordering service with kits then delivered through the post Participating local pharmacies where a box of 7 tests can be collected to be used twice a week at home ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56632084 ) The link to home ordering is https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, whiteowl said: If anyone is interested, from today people can get free lateral flow tests. From 9 April, kits will be available through: Community testing sites operated by local authorities Collection from a nearby PCR test site during specific time windows Existing workplace testing programmes An online home ordering service with kits then delivered through the post Participating local pharmacies where a box of 7 tests can be collected to be used twice a week at home ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56632084 ) The link to home ordering is https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests Thanks whiteowl. Seems like they can give a high rate of false negative results, on the gov, website I think it says 58% false negative (edit. it’s 58% accuracy, so I guess 42% false negative) when used by general public, but the following suggests a higher rate of false negative results.. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lateral-flow-tests-explained_uk_5fe1d176c5b6e1ce8335bce2 Quote Prof Deeks said 7,189 students at the university were tested between December 2-9 – students self-swabbed and lateral flow tests were performed by testing team members. In total, two people tested positive for Covid-19, which Prof Deeks said was in line with low rates from other universities – and these positive results were also confirmed via a PCR test. But when researchers randomly sampled roughly 10% of those who tested negative with the lateral flow test, and retested their samples with PCR tests, they unearthed six false negative cases. “We thus estimate that we found two cases and will have missed 60 (because we only double tested 10%),” he said. Assuming above is accurate, and the 10% of samples retested using PCR are representative of the whole, 62 students had Covid, and the lateral flow test only found 2 of those 62 to be positive. I imagine the tests have some value, but there could also be a danger in people having the lateral flow test, getting a negative result, and believing they don’t have covid (and acting as if they don’t etc). Edited April 9, 2021 by Waldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enntee Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 The government spent a fortune on the purchase of millions of LFTs, a while ago. They have been desperate to get them used up for some time now .... despite several expert papers confirming that they are of limited use and can have a negative effect when used wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 So - people want to go on holiday abroad, travel companies want them to go. Neither want to pay for decent testing, and want the lateral flow tests as they are cheaper. The press are wanting cheaper tests as the proposed ones may put people off going on holidays they "deserve". The Government has plenty of these tests on their hands they want to use that apparently don't work very well and whose results are unreliable. Solution - Give them free to holidaymakers. All are happy ..... until people come back with added Covid that the tests don't spot, and we get another wave, and another lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 On 09/04/2021 at 14:57, Thirsty Relic said: So - people want to go on holiday abroad, travel companies want them to go. Neither want to pay for decent testing, and want the lateral flow tests as they are cheaper. The press are wanting cheaper tests as the proposed ones may put people off going on holidays they "deserve". The Government has plenty of these tests on their hands they want to use that apparently don't work very well and whose results are unreliable. Solution - Give them free to holidaymakers. All are happy ..... until people come back with added Covid that the tests don't spot, and we get another wave, and another lockdown. Weird logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 @makapaka - I'd query the word 'logic' in that statement. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 OK - I'll put it another way. We are just coming out of another lockdown and things are looking much better. I think people should not go on foreign holidays and even if they did they should be prepared for either quarantining when they return or at least decent Covid tests (as has been proposed) when they land back in the UK. The press and the travel industry on the other hand want the cheapest tests available (LFTs), and they seem not to be very reliable - thus risking more and more exotic strains of Covid being brought into the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said: OK - I'll put it another way. We are just coming out of another lockdown and things are looking much better. I think people should not go on foreign holidays and even if they did they should be prepared for either quarantining when they return or at least decent Covid tests (as has been proposed) when they land back in the UK. The press and the travel industry on the other hand want the cheapest tests available (LFTs), and they seem not to be very reliable - thus risking more and more exotic strains of Covid being brought into the country. We’re the best exporter of “exotic” Covid strains. shouldn’t you be more worried about people leaving and going abroad and not coming back? Edited April 10, 2021 by makapaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 The UK has now slid down to 10th place in Europe for deaths per million (where countries have more than 1 million citizens). If death rates stay as they are, Italy will eclipse the UK for total deaths in a few weeks unless they can get a handle on the situation very quickly. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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