Coronavirus - Part Two.

[*_ash_*]

2 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Best thing you can do about this now - is just accept your not getting owt back anytime soon.

 

Remember the “new normal” - that’s what your living now and will be for god knows how long.

 

it won’t involve going down the pub and standing with your mates, or going the match or a gig or a club. Or not wearing a face mask.

or going on holiday when or where you want.

 

or having all your friends and mates round for a party or a wedding or a birthday.

 

that’s not the “new normal” so you ain’t getting it.

 

We live in a country where a (recorded) 4.4m people have had the virus and not died - 70% of the adult population have had a vaccine - 38% have had two shots of the vaccine.

 

but you’re still under - and will be for the foreseeable - strict restrictions on normal life.

 

the new normal.

I watched the news today (rare event) but I couldn't find the remote and it was ITV news, 

 

Some good experiments going on, and shows lessons learned from the first disastrous openings (I don't blame the govt for that, because I agreed with it at the time, it's only hindsight knowing I was wrong and the govt was wrong) - I knew it wasn't going to go away of course, I'm not stupid, but I didn't realise just how quickly things could get out of control. I've been vax'd, but doesn't mean I'm suddenly thinking it will all be over. 

Any new bad strain could f... everything up. 

 

I liked the news article about a race, where 2 races were held... 1 with social distancing, and 1 without, then they're all getting tested over next weeks.

 

This kind of thing is the best we can do I think. No one wants another lockdown, I think we're going in the right direction now. (but maybe next year, I'll be wrong, and again hindsight)

[Guest makapaka]

16 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

I watched the news today (rare event) but I couldn't find the remote and it was ITV news, 

 

Some good experiments going on, and shows lessons learned from the first disastrous openings (I don't blame the govt for that, because I agreed with it at the time, it's only hindsight knowing I was wrong and the govt was wrong) - I knew it wasn't going to go away of course, I'm not stupid, but I didn't realise just how quickly things could get out of control. I've been vax'd, but doesn't mean I'm suddenly thinking it will all be over. 

Any new bad strain could f... everything up. 

 

I liked the news article about a race, where 2 races were held... 1 with social distancing, and 1 without, then they're all getting tested over next weeks.

 

This kind of thing is the best we can do I think. No one wants another lockdown, I think we're going in the right direction now. (but maybe next year, I'll be wrong, and again hindsight)

We absolutely aren’t on the right path 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n995

 

[*_ash_*]

6 minutes ago, makapaka said:

We absolutely aren’t on the right path 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n995

 

I'm on that list, and doesn't mean I think it govt or NHS fault. It's just the outcome of an unexpected event that the country like most others, wasn't prepared for.

[Guest makapaka]

31 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

I'm on that list, and doesn't mean I think it govt or NHS fault. It's just the outcome of an unexpected event that the country like most others, wasn't prepared for.

Yes - but sooner or later we need to balance it up.

 

we’ve spent 14 months protecting the vulnerable and providing vaccines to protect further.

 

Only so much longer you can do it before you create a new vulnerable - a lot younger vulnerable also.

Edited May 15, 2021 by makapaka

[Thirsty Relic]

Instead of putting all the effort into buying millions of doses of vaccines to stop as many people as possible getting the virus, why haven't we been buying millions of doses of the treatments being developed that treat the patients with it?  As previously referenced on this thread, they have been developed, and Boris says they will be available in the Autumn.

 

Imagine if these had been developed and deployed with the effort and speed that the vaccines had been... instead of the huge costs of lockdowns and increasing hospital waiting lists for Covid and non-Covid patients, we could have had more of the "old normal", with Covid affected people getting tablets to take at home, and being to normal in a week or two.  Israel had something similar a month or 2 ago, with even the worst affected been wheeled into intensive case one day, then walking out and going home the next.

[Guest makapaka]

I thought we could “tweak” vaccines in a matter of months.

Surely we should be doing that now if the Indian variant is going to be the dominant strain.

 

where has been the boosting of capacity in the nhs - that would help. train people in specifics related to coronavirus treatment on a fasttrack basis?

 

 

[redruby]

9 hours ago, makapaka said:

Yes - but sooner or later we need to balance it up.

 

we’ve spent 14 months protecting the vulnerable and providing vaccines to protect further.

 

Only so much longer you can do it before you create a new vulnerable - a lot younger vulnerable also.

The end IS in sight. When enough people have vaccinated to stop exponential growth. We are not quite there yet.  We ought to pause the next stage of the road map by a couple of weeks or so to buy time to get more people vaccinated and assess the risks of the Indian variant.  Clamouring to unlock quickly has made things worse before and required longer lockdowns.  

Edited May 16, 2021 by redruby

[Guest sibon]

12 hours ago, makapaka said:

I thought we could “tweak” vaccines in a matter of months.

Surely we should be doing that now if the Indian variant is going to be the dominant strain.

 

where has been the boosting of capacity in the nhs - that would help. train people in specifics related to coronavirus treatment on a fasttrack basis?

 

 

I guess that they are tweaking the vaccine, right now.

 

Unfortunately, they don’t have the technology to tweak the vaccine that I and 35 000 000 others have already received.

 

The drugs to treat it are on the way too. If you speak with any doctors, you’ll find that they are much better equipped to treat COVID than they were last year.

[Fudbeer]

3 hours ago, redruby said:

The end IS in sight. When enough people have vaccinated to stop exponential growth. We are not quite there yet.  We ought to pause the next stage of the road map by a couple of weeks or so to buy time to get more people vaccinated and assess the risks of the Indian variant.  Clamouring to unlock quickly has made things worse before and required longer lockdowns.  

Well said totally agree.

[Mister M]

4 hours ago, redruby said:

The end IS in sight. When enough people have vaccinated to stop exponential growth. We are not quite there yet.  We ought to pause the next stage of the road map by a couple of weeks or so to buy time to get more people vaccinated and assess the risks of the Indian variant.  Clamouring to unlock quickly has made things worse before and required longer lockdowns.  

I agree. 

And I feel really angry by the right wing on Johnson's party who take to the airwaves and complain about the economic impact of lockdown, but very rarely, if ever, have taken to the airwaves to apologise for pressurising the PM not to lockdown sooner, or open up too quickly; or even talk about the terrible loss of life due to the virus.

I wish the media would hold these people to account.