top4718 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Bargepole23 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58736720 Still in the news. This is also in the news, another statistic that shows the death rates have been inflated, I’ve said before the fallout from this nonsense in deaths will far eclipse anything directly caused by Covid. https://news.sky.com/story/england-and-wales-records-more-than-70-000-excess-deaths-in-private-homes-since-start-of-covid-19-pandemic-12420482 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, top4718 said: This is also in the news, another statistic that shows the death rates have been inflated, I’ve said before the fallout from this nonsense in deaths will far eclipse anything directly caused by Covid. https://news.sky.com/story/england-and-wales-records-more-than-70-000-excess-deaths-in-private-homes-since-start-of-covid-19-pandemic-12420482 And? Where in your link does it state these excess deaths were attributed to covid? I've read it (probably unlike you) and it states covid deaths and excess deaths. Did you do the maths to see if attributed deaths are correct? Or just scrambling around in the dark for anything that seems to back up your narrative? Deaths happen, other deaths sadly will happen from other causes, people have been unable to go to hospital, that doesn't mean there shouldn't have been lockdowns or other measures Edited September 30, 2021 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, melthebell said: people have been unable to go to hospital, that doesn't mean there shouldn't have been lockdowns or other measures How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, makapaka said: How do you know that? How do I know what? Anti covid protestors have made clear people have missed appointments and people have got iller as a consequence But That doesn't mean there shouldn't have been measures to mitigate covid. As the saying goes **** happens, being in the middle of a global pandemic ain't perfect, craps gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, melthebell said: How do I know what? Anti covid protestors have made clear people have missed appointments and people have got iller as a consequence But That doesn't mean there shouldn't have been measures to mitigate covid. As the saying goes **** happens, being in the middle of a global pandemic ain't perfect, craps gonna happen It’s not perfect - but that’s not much consolation for a young person who’s got terminal cancer because they couldn’t get a hospital appointment sooner. Edited September 30, 2021 by makapaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbuncle Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, makapaka said: How do you know that? Are you really challenging the idea that lockdowns reduced the loss of hospital capacity due to covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, Carbuncle said: Are you really challenging the idea that lockdowns reduced the loss of hospital capacity due to covid? This doesn’t make sense - what are you asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbuncle Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, makapaka said: This doesn’t make sense - what are you asking? (1) Covid reduced hospital capacity for other things. (2) Lockdowns mitigated this effect. (3) Therefore there was more hospital capacity because of lockdowns. Which of these are you unhappy with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, makapaka said: It’s not perfect - but that’s not much consolation for a young person who’s got terminal cancer because they couldn’t get a hospital appointment sooner. Would you sooner millions dying? The nhs getting swamped? Nobody at all been able to get to hospital at all? Like I said being in the middle of a global pandemic isn't ideal, bad stuff happens as a consequence like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carbuncle said: (1) Covid reduced hospital capacity for other things. (2) Lockdowns mitigated this effect. (3) Therefore there was more hospital capacity because of lockdowns. Which of these are you unhappy with? I’m not unhappy with anything as such. im asking how anyone knows if the reduction in healthcare provision for other illnesses has provided a net benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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