apelike Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pettytom said: ....It doesn’t just kill older people. It absolutely needs to be treated with the utmost respect. An age stats quote from the ONS on mortality from Covid-19 in England and Wales as of up to 4th September. (covid-19 mentioned on death certificate.) "The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (46,781 out of 52,376)." So yes it does kill mainly older people! The other 5,595 get broken down as... Between 45-64 = 5,019 Between 15-44 = 570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, apelike said: An age stats quote from the ONS on mortality from Covid-19 in England and Wales as of up to 4th September. (covid-19 mentioned on death certificate.) "The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (46,781 out of 52,376)." So yes it does kill mainly older people! The other 5,595 get broken down as... Between 45-64 = 5,019 Between 15-44 = 570 What's the life expectancy of someone aged 65? Perhaps when I was a kid 55 years ago in a mining village it might have been about 70. 65 isn't old these days - life expectancy is about 80. https://www.google.com/search?q=life+expectancy+uk&oq=life+expectancy+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.12399j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Edited September 17, 2020 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruby Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Anna B said: This is not the Black death or Bubonic plague, it's a rather nasty strain of flu, which, like any flu, can affect older people more seriously than most, and like all flu, can turn into Pneumonia that kills. Flu is an ever present hazard that we have to deal with every winter, but we do not usually go into lockdown, and wreck education, jobs and the economy on the strength of it. We now have a degree of immunity and also know the enemy better. It's time to return to normal, albeit with extra vigilance. Personally, I have no objection to wearing a mask and socially distancing if possible, but that's about it. Just be sensible. IMO I think everything else is overhyped hysteria. Yes, there might be more cases, but most of those will happily survive, and so will more of the people who are currently finding it so difficult to get treatment for other illnesses, including unnecessary anxiety and stress. It is in everyone's interest for all of us to return to normality asap. In addition to the points others have raised, there is also a flu jab available but no Covid vaccine yet. I would love to return to normality, proper not ‘new’ normality, but it is not going to happen yet. There is so much muddled thinking, not least from the government. Cases were always going to start rising in autumn but in their push to get ALL kids back to school FULL TIME is not helping. All this rubbish about there not being evidence that kids spread the virus like they are a different species!! I agree that school is essential for children but we ought to think outside the box and develop plans for more blended online and classroom learning - where possible and for older children - instead of cramming all kids back to school at once. Then there was the push, now seemingly on the back burner, to get people back to offices. Whether the government likes it or not, the virus will spread rapidly in crowded, indoor environments. It doesn’t make exceptions for classrooms and workplaces. Even with the so called ‘Covid secure’ measures in places if you have say, 30 people, in a classroom or office for several hours a day that is risky. Worse, a lot of modern schools, offices etc don’t even have windows that open. And even where windows can be opened they can’t be left open all day in winter without everyone freezing!! Edited September 18, 2020 by redruby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steved32 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 So, Dido Harding has reportedly said that no-one could have foreseen the increased demand for testing. Is this woman for real? Is the letter "l" omitted from her name? She seems to have brought her Talk Talk management "acumen" to the role of Covid testing supremo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettytom Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Longcol said: What's the life expectancy of someone aged 65? Perhaps when I was a kid 55 years ago in a mining village it might have been about 70. 65 isn't old these days - life expectancy is about 80. https://www.google.com/search?q=life+expectancy+uk&oq=life+expectancy+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.12399j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 As I said, it doesn’t just kill older people. Thank you for illustrating that for me. I also mentioned the organ damage that it causes. That is more difficult to quantify. But again., it occurs across the age range and is going to cause long term health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Longcol said: What's the life expectancy of someone aged 65? Perhaps when I was a kid 55 years ago in a mining village it might have been about 70. 65 isn't old these days - life expectancy is about 80. https://www.google.com/search?q=life+expectancy+uk&oq=life+expectancy+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.12399j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Let me assure you... 65 certainly feels old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRESLEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Pettytom said: It really isn’t just a nasty type of flu. Just claiming that invalidates anything else that you have to say on the matter. It doesn’t just turn into pneumonia. It doesn’t just kill older people. It absolutely needs to be treated with the utmost respect. Covid 19 is right on the upper limit of expectations for any viral, respiratory disease. It is highly infectious and it causes significant organ damage in some patients. The potential long term impacts are still being understood, but they look grim. Its not a bit of flu. You are going to have to wait a bit longer to go to the bingo or the opera. Wasn't Swine flu and bird flu just as bad as covid in regards to having fatal effects on the elderly and the vunerable, just a question I am posing, because if I remember rightly, no one gave a damm and just carried on as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki-red Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, PRESLEY said: Wasn't Swine flu and bird flu just as bad as covid in regards to having fatal effects on the elderly and the vunerable, just a question I am posing, because if I remember rightly, no one gave a damm and just carried on as normal. Swine flu was more serious for young people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRESLEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, nikki-red said: Swine flu was more serious for young people. Thankyou Nikki, I didn't know that, was it controlled earlier ie vaccines or did it ever look like getting to pandemic stages ect, Im just trying to work out if we are going overboard with covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Lane Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, PRESLEY said: Thankyou Nikki, I didn't know that, was it controlled earlier ie vaccines or did it ever look like getting to pandemic stages ect, Im just trying to work out if we are going overboard with covid. I remember the hysteria quite well. A quick Google indicates at least 11% of the global population might have got swine flu during the 2009-2010 pandemic but most were asymptomatic. There were 500k confirmed cases worldwide and 18k confirmed deaths. WHO concluded the risk of serious illness from that strain of swine flu was the same as for normal flu. It didn’t disproportionately affect older people. Edited September 18, 2020 by Arnold_Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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