Revised On Street Parking Charges

[BigAl1]

1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

Yeah, yeah. You don’t like / don’t believe the results so you try to trash the methodology. 
 

There are other questions asked too, like how far the interviewee has travelled to the shops, how many shops they are visiting etc.
 

Try to rubbish it any way you like, but when three separate studies in different places show the same thing, it is rather difficult to ignore the findings. 

It is not the methodology I am questioning it is the reporting by your good self which suggested that the data was collected with the one simple question.

 

How can I trust the methodology when the only information given was that only one simple question is required. Show me the questionnaire and a full description of the sampling and methodology and I can make an informed decision and comment accordingly 

[Planner1]

33 minutes ago, Bigal1 said:

It is not the methodology I am questioning it is the reporting by your good self which suggested that the data was collected with the one simple question.

 

How can I trust the methodology when the only information given was that only one simple question is required. Show me the questionnaire and a full description of the sampling and methodology and I can make an informed decision and comment accordingly 

I’m giving a snapshot of the survey results which show the data relevant to the discussion. I’ve provided links to the survey reports if people want to read the full results.

 

Heres another one from Dublin: https://arrow.tudublin.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=comlinkoth which explains in detail how they carried it out. Same results as the others, retailers significantly over estimate the amount of customers coming by car. Interestingly they also over estimate the numbers coming by tram.

[Annie Bynnol]

Bristol is always in the transport news for its plans and requests to Government for funding.

There are three Councils with different transport needs involved in Greater Bristol. 

One dominant private bus company which, as a monopoly dictates fares, routes and quality vehicles .

Leverage is only possible if money is available from, and authority given by Central Government.

Of the dozens of "plans" only one is working,  the 3 Metro routes (think  Bus Rapid Transit (North) .

The bus service in Bristol is what you get when a large bus operator has a Monopoly which can also rely on very little interference from divided Councils.

 

[Guest busdriver1]

46 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Bristol is always in the transport news for its plans and requests to Government for funding.

There are three Councils with different transport needs involved in Greater Bristol. 

One dominant private bus company which, as a monopoly dictates fares, routes and quality vehicles .

Leverage is only possible if money is available from, and authority given by Central Government.

Of the dozens of "plans" only one is working,  the 3 Metro routes (think  Bus Rapid Transit (North) .

The bus service in Bristol is what you get when a large bus operator has a Monopoly which can also rely on very little interference from divided Councils.

 

And it is working WELL despite your attempts to dress it up otherwise.

Also of note, the three Metro routes as you like to compare them to BRT in Sheffield, actually got done and WORK, thanks in no small way to the input of the local bus operator.

Shall we discuss the Sheffield plans for 2 that resulted in next to nothing whilst still running massively over budget.

Edited August 10, 2020 by busdriver1

[Annie Bynnol]

"Of the dozens of "plans" only one is working,  the 3 Metro routes (think  Bus Rapid Transit (North)," 

 

When someone tries to explain an unfamiliar term  by providing an example in brackets and prefaces it with "think" they mean:

"In Bristol there are 3 Metro routes, if you want a quick explanation, think of Bus Rapid Transit (North) which you might be aware of as it is local."  There is no attempt to add an opinion, just an attempt to help our readers.

 

The tales of woe of both is for another place.

 

 

[Guest busdriver1]

26 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

"Of the dozens of "plans" only one is working,  the 3 Metro routes (think  Bus Rapid Transit (North)," 

 

When someone tries to explain an unfamiliar term  by providing an example in brackets and prefaces it with "think" they mean:

"In Bristol there are 3 Metro routes, if you want a quick explanation, think of Bus Rapid Transit (North) which you might be aware of as it is local."  There is no attempt to add an opinion, just an attempt to help our readers.

 

The tales of woe of both is for another place.

 

 

Most plans in Bristol are working - those that have been implemented anyway. The grants being sought there are for joint bids between the council(s) and bus company and as such make better progress. The Metro routes there are now gaining extra services on Sundays at the bus companies risk and they have a massive fleet of biogas buses and are selling their surplus biogas on to other local concerns. So not only are they improving the environment themselves, they are assisting other local businesses to do the same. This is being achieved by charging realistic fares and a council(s) that know when to leave alone. Nobody is being forced to implement these changes. They are being introduced as part of that bus companies desire to go carbon free. 

These are the advantages of having a council that is forward thinking and mature enough to know when they should support rather than bully or coerce a bus company. 

The council there (getting back on topic) also provide adequate on street and off street parking at a reasonable rate and appear to be much more in touch with the people they are supposed to represent and work for. 

[Litotes]

On 08/08/2020 at 14:04, Planner1 said:

Another interesting point in the Barnsley study was that 66% of the retailers interviewed travelled to work by car.

 

Retailers and customers were also asked what they though the council's highest spending / investment priority ought to be in the town centre:

 

Retailers - 67% free parking,  23% making shopping area more attractive

Shoppers: 20% free parking, 50% making shopping area more attractive

 

 

But once again you have a fallacious argument - by asking the people in Barnsley (of whom less than a fifth actually went there by car) should there be a focus on parking you are biassing the population you are actually getting your responses from.

 

It is a bit like asking residents if they want on street parking charges brought into the area when most of them are away on holiday... and then taking the tiny fraction who didn't say 'no' as being indicative of the whole area.

 

 

[Annie Bynnol]

 

Well done the Labour Party and the Labour Mayor of Bristol 

 

Like you I support them in their introduction  of 77 bio methane buses on 4 routes and

3 New Metro bus routes which will release roads in the city centre for cycle routes.

 

(Back on the topic) They have also reduced on-street parking and

Increasing the number and width of cycle lanes.

Introducing tow away zones

And forced the reduction in bus fares by the bus company.

 

Since most of the Labour Party's plans are working , I am looking forward to seeing the following work:

1Reducing unnecessary use of private cars especially in the city centre.

Management of parking provision – on street, off street, residential and business parking.

Reallocation of road space to sustainable transport modes.

City centre and town centre private vehicle bans.

Workplace parking levy.

Park & Ride sites on radial routes to intercept private cars entering the main urban centres.

Managing parking supply to reduce the number of trips made by the private car into town and city centres wherever possible and increase the trips made by walking, cycling, and public transport, as the availability and cost of parking is closely linked with the demand for motorised vehicle us

Pre-bookable car parking

Parking and traffic speeds can be more effectively managed, so they do not harm or hinder local neighbourhood access and facilities.

Providing sufficient parking outside of central areas and encouraging people to walk reasonable distances, ‘Park & Stride’,

etc, etc

 

 

1Source March 2020 Joint Local Transport Plan 4 2020-2036

Edited August 10, 2020 by Annie Bynnol

[BigAl1]

16 hours ago, Litotes said:

But once again you have a fallacious argument - by asking the people in Barnsley (of whom less than a fifth actually went there by car) should there be a focus on parking you are biassing the population you are actually getting your responses from.

 

It is a bit like asking residents if they want on street parking charges brought into the area when most of them are away on holiday... and then taking the tiny fraction who didn't say 'no' as being indicative of the whole area.

 

 

Bias is a very common error made in transportation research the selection of a biased sample . Often is is far easier (and cheaper) to ask users when it is the non users you really need to ask

 

But your example of parking charges is also flawed. Most research is based on a sample not a census and whilst it would not be at all sensible to carry out a study when MOST were on holiday what would be far more important would be to ensure that the survey was representative of the residents especially on the subject of car ownership and access to private parking

[Planner1]

18 hours ago, Litotes said:

But once again you have a fallacious argument - by asking the people in Barnsley (of whom less than a fifth actually went there by car) should there be a focus on parking you are biassing the population you are actually getting your responses from.

 

The number who actually went by car wasn’t known until the surveyor asked them. The questions were asked to a sample of people in the main shopping area. The surveyor has no idea how they got there until they ask the questions, so how is that biased?