South Yorkshire Bus Service Needs Improvement

[Resident]

3 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Which "...councillors & MPs..."are you accusing?

 

Do you have evidence to back up your statement that "... certain councillors & MPs more than likely grabbed a back-pocket share of the funding too."?

When did you share your evidence with the Police and other public bodies?

Listed HERE are some addresses if you haven't done it yet.

 

You know full well that I would not be able to confirm or deny the existence of evidence nor that of any ongoing investigation with definity. 

 

Back in your box. The adults are talking. 

[Guest busdriver1]

27 minutes ago, Resident said:

Back in your box. The adults are talking. 

LOL well said

[Annie Bynnol]

2 hours ago, Resident said:

You know full well that I would not be able to confirm or deny the existence of evidence nor that of any ongoing investigation with definity. 

 

Back in your box. The adults are talking. 

As you are unable or unwilling to produce any evidence that  "... certain councillors & MPs more than likely grabbed a back-pocket share of the funding too.",  it would be the right thing to do to ignore such comments and any weight  to the  argument you are trying to develop. 

[sheffbag]

On 15/04/2021 at 14:10, Planner1 said:

So what would you like? The council to not put those blocks in place and leave the centre vulnerable to terrorist attack? I’m afraid “ornate gates” aren’t going to work if, as they have done elsewhere, attackers decide to try to hit people with an HGV. To stop those you need something very solid.

 

This kind of thing is just a factor of modern life in city centres everywhere. Doesn’t look great but not something I would even think about when deciding whether or not to come into town.

 

Yes, parts of the city centre have a lot of building work going on. You heard the one about omelettes and eggs? When a lot of change is happening, there’s usually a bit of disturbance and inconvenience in the process. 

My bold, what a loss of your argument there. exactly where elsewhere has this happened (manchester in the 90's?) in the UK where a HGV has been used in a city centre to attack people.? 

You are more likely to be killed by lightening than killed by a HGV being used as a terrorist. If that is the justification for the bollards then its weak. Nothing stopping a driver hitting the city centre near the market or just coming off at top of the moor

 

would it stop you coming into town if the blocks werent there? Do you not feel secure outside the cathedral but you are ok on fargate?

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by sheffbag

[Planner1]

4 hours ago, sheffbag said:

My bold, what a loss of your argument there. exactly where elsewhere has this happened (manchester in the 90's?) in the UK where a HGV has been used in a city centre to attack people.? 

You are more likely to be killed by lightening than killed by a HGV being used as a terrorist. If that is the justification for the bollards then its weak. Nothing stopping a driver hitting the city centre near the market or just coming off at top of the moor

 

would it stop you coming into town if the blocks werent there? Do you not feel secure outside the cathedral but you are ok on fargate?

 

You don’t read the news much, do you? There have been several terrorist attacks in recent years in the UK where vehicles have been used as a weapon. Four people killed in the one on Westminster Bridge: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-idUSKBN1KZ0HY

 

Concrete blocks have been used by authorities all over this country and abroad to mitigate such threats.

 

The blocks don’t bother me at all and would not in any way deter me from coming to town, but another poster mentioned them as part of their reasoning for not coming into town.

[sheffbag]

19 hours ago, Planner1 said:

You don’t read the news much, do you? There have been several terrorist attacks in recent years in the UK where vehicles have been used as a weapon. Four people killed in the one on Westminster Bridge: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-idUSKBN1KZ0HY

 

Concrete blocks have been used by authorities all over this country and abroad to mitigate such threats.

 

The blocks don’t bother me at all and would not in any way deter me from coming to town, but another poster mentioned them as part of their reasoning for not coming into town.

You dont read your own posts or peoples replies much do you? (sorry, but if you want to be sarcastic then at least get it right)

 

You stated HGV specifically, I challenged you on that so you provide evidence of a car being used in London on a bridge in an actual attack plus a foiled plot that could potentially have used  a truck . You were using this an a reasoning for the blocks to be there in the first place.

 

There have been high profile cases involving HGV's i grant you (Nice, Berlin, Linburg) but that is 3 in the last 8 years across the whole of Europe. If we were to use your example of using a car as an actual case to substantiate your point then we better stop trucks, buses and cars on the edge of park square roundabout to prevent them going up the ring road to prevent the miniscule chance that they may plough into the 02 Academy during a concert or the Lyceum or a taxi filled with explosives jumps the lanes and crashes into the cathedral. 

 

Ridiculous examples maybe just about as likely as a rogue HGV running up Fargate so where do you stop.

 

If these people wish to take a vehicle to injure others then they will find a way to do it somewhere. I could ride a motorbike straight through the middle of sheffield city centre running people over or shooting them. Those blocks wouldnt stop me

 

Anyway back to buses...................

[Michael_N]

Just to add to previous comments, Arundel Gate wouldn't be so bad for a main bus hub, if it actually had proper bus stops with shelters/real time info/seating and lighting like the stops on Pinstone Street & Leopold Street had. The barricades into the carriageway are a waste of time and just cause congestion and inconvenience for everyone. I am yet to see anyone wait for a bus out in the barricaded sections like they were "supposedly" designed to do. Should be removed and put back to how they were prior to covid.

 

Another point in relation to the Connecting Sheffield proposal which I couldn't quite grasp is why a bus gate was going to be introduced northbound where the carriageway is 3 lanes wide already (bus stop laybys, bus lane and then another general lane) rather than the other direction where there isn't ample bus stop laybys and only 1 lane for all traffic to mix!

[RollingJ]

12 minutes ago, Michael_N said:

Just to add to previous comments, Arundel Gate wouldn't be so bad for a main bus hub, if it actually had proper bus stops with shelters/real time info/seating and lighting like the stops on Pinstone Street & Leopold Street had. The barricades into the carriageway are a waste of time and just cause congestion and inconvenience for everyone. I am yet to see anyone wait for a bus out in the barricaded sections like they were "supposedly" designed to do. Should be removed and put back to how they were prior to covid.

 

Another point in relation to the Connecting Sheffield proposal which I couldn't quite grasp is why a bus gate was going to be introduced northbound where the carriageway is 3 lanes wide already (bus stop laybys, bus lane and then another general lane) rather than the other direction where there isn't ample bus stop laybys and only 1 lane for all traffic to mix!

Agree that Arundel Gate is a reasonable location for a bus hub, providing that 'standing time' was reasonably short - especially south-bound as there are no lay-bys that side - but for it to function properly they (council/SYPTE) have got to remove those ridiculous barricades, the amount of congestion they caused even during the quiet time had to be seen to be believed, and as restrictions are lifted and life attempts to get back to something approaching 'normal' I can see permanent gridlock.

 

Second paragraph - two words - council 'planning'!

Edited April 20, 2021 by RollingJ

[Resident]

5 hours ago, Michael_N said:

Just to add to previous comments, Arundel Gate wouldn't be so bad for a main bus hub, if it actually had proper bus stops with shelters/real time info/seating and lighting like the stops on Pinstone Street & Leopold Street had. The barricades into the carriageway are a waste of time and just cause congestion and inconvenience for everyone. I am yet to see anyone wait for a bus out in the barricaded sections like they were "supposedly" designed to do. Should be removed and put back to how they were prior to covid.

 

Another point in relation to the Connecting Sheffield proposal which I couldn't quite grasp is why a bus gate was going to be introduced northbound where the carriageway is 3 lanes wide already (bus stop laybys, bus lane and then another general lane) rather than the other direction where there isn't ample bus stop laybys and only 1 lane for all traffic to mix!

I would disagree. Using AG and closing the Interchange would mean even more buses when the ones currently using the interchange are routed up there.  There isn't enough room for the current vehicle numbers without adding more. 
Recently it seems to have become home to a few ne'er-do-well's which, despite being stood in the open, have evaded the attention of authorities. Bus drivers have been assaulted and even stabbed on AG in recent times too so there's a big safety issue, particularly at night.

[olivapopea]

No different to trains or trams etc, buses can’t leave these stops early and they are there to regulate services. Stops located between those listed on the main timetable are only estimated arrival times.