Silly Scooter Driver

[Bargepole23]

4 hours ago, bassett one said:

dont know the damage scooter or bikes have caused over england,but who pays out for your car damage if its caused by these uninsured ,untrained people,also if a cars uninsured ,you are  normally end up in court,fined,prison ect,plus points deduction,but if its only a small  amount ,its too many if it has to come out of your pocket cash wise,its about time these people paid insurance/tax and had some form of test,bikes get lanes ect ,but pay nowt.

To summarize, you have no idea at all about the financial scale of this, nor the number or seriousness of any incidents, but are advocating a wholesale bike and scooter training, testing, licensing and taxing system.

 

What do you think the cost of all that would be, in comparison to the benefit.

 

I ride a bike and I'm paying more tax than most, and get little in the way of infrastructure for it. Most cyclists are car drivers and tax payers. So your argument about paying nowt....plain wrong.

[bassett one]

but if you hit a car  and cannot pay,what does a driver do?,claim it off his insurance?,lose his no claims? or pay it out of his own pocket?,unfair why should cyclists,scooters drive on a main road and not pay? they havent even proof they are of a decent skill to drive,where a driver of a car has taken a test,paid tax and insurance and is fully compliant to the rules of the road,totally unfair,as for another part,scratch a car,most tonal ,so you dont have just that area,you have to respray into other areas to match,minus car for several days,car hire,its not cheap,its totally unfair.

[Becky B]

2 hours ago, bassett one said:

but if you hit a car  and cannot pay,what does a driver do?,claim it off his insurance?,lose his no claims? or pay it out of his own pocket?,unfair why should cyclists,scooters drive on a main road and not pay? they havent even proof they are of a decent skill to drive,where a driver of a car has taken a test,paid tax and insurance and is fully compliant to the rules of the road,totally unfair,as for another part,scratch a car,most tonal ,so you dont have just that area,you have to respray into other areas to match,minus car for several days,car hire,its not cheap,its totally unfair.

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[dave_the_m]

What happens if a pedestrian steps out into the road without looking properly, and you have to swerve to avoid them, crashing your car? What if they can't afford to pay the cost of the repair to your car? Should we ban pedestrians from the street unless they are insured????

[Guest busdriver1]

Here we go. what if, What if, What if.

 

These scooters are vehicles and as such it is morally correct to cover them against any damage they can potentially cause. The fact that they can be driven with no training or guidance by people who may ( and often do) have no road skills just adds to that need.

 

Yes, there is also a very good argument for cyclists to have insurance for those same reasons but the line gets blurred with kids on bikes and I do not pretend to have an answer to that.

 

Those who constantly demand evidence to any counter to their points do so from the safe position of knowing there can be no figures for incidents that have no legal consequences other than hearsay but lets be sure there are incidents involving both these modes and they largely go unrecorded.

A registration scheme would go some way towards this but I am sure the cycling fraternity would fight hard against any action to remove their powerful position of anonymity and cause them to be accountable for their actions. The scooter fraternity in my opinion are more likely to comply but if any sort of competence test was introduced they would virtually disappear overnight as evidenced by the extremely low rate of passes of the competence test for bus use in West Yorkshire.

 

Finally to respond to the comment re. pedestrians "suddenly stepping out". If you are driving at an APPROPRIATE speed for the conditions you will be able to stop safely without swerving or should if you are a competent driver. I have managed to miss many in that situation.....................

Edited October 24, 2020 by busdriver1

[bassett one]

well said,its about time these bike/scooter riders took a test and paid insurance and tax to use the road and protect others from there silly actions ,and make them accountable for there actions,plus it would help the economy get back on its feet,a double wammy for everyone.

[Bargepole23]

6 hours ago, bassett one said:

well said,its about time these bike/scooter riders took a test and paid insurance and tax to use the road and protect others from there silly actions ,and make them accountable for there actions,plus it would help the economy get back on its feet,a double wammy for everyone.

How on earth would having some kind of tax, insurance or testing scheme for scooters and bikes get the economy back on its feet?

[Bargepole23]

7 hours ago, busdriver1 said:

Here we go. what if, What if, What if.

 

These scooters are vehicles and as such it is morally correct to cover them against any damage they can potentially cause. The fact that they can be driven with no training or guidance by people who may ( and often do) have no road skills just adds to that need.

 

Yes, there is also a very good argument for cyclists to have insurance for those same reasons but the line gets blurred with kids on bikes and I do not pretend to have an answer to that.

 

Those who constantly demand evidence to any counter to their points do so from the safe position of knowing there can be no figures for incidents that have no legal consequences other than hearsay but lets be sure there are incidents involving both these modes and they largely go unrecorded.

A registration scheme would go some way towards this but I am sure the cycling fraternity would fight hard against any action to remove their powerful position of anonymity and cause them to be accountable for their actions. The scooter fraternity in my opinion are more likely to comply but if any sort of competence test was introduced they would virtually disappear overnight as evidenced by the extremely low rate of passes of the competence test for bus use in West Yorkshire.

 

Finally to respond to the comment re. pedestrians "suddenly stepping out". If you are driving at an APPROPRIATE speed for the conditions you will be able to stop safely without swerving or should if you are a competent driver. I have managed to miss many in that situation.....................

Utterly wrong. A pedestrian stepping out is a random act. Could be right in front of you, are you saying you drive past every pedestrian slow enough to stop, regardless of how close they may be?

 

Cyclists are absolutely responsible for their actions, as is everyone else on the planet. You just have an irrational desire to attack a particular group.

 

There is no moral case for insurance, it isn't a question of morals, more a question of cost and benefit. You argue for it without a shred of evidence that the benefits would outweigh the costs. And yes, the onus is on those arguing for change to provide the evidence that change is required.

[bassett one]

re-charging insurance/tax testing ect,ect this would bring in a income to our economy ,plus make our roads safer and if someone injured someone or damaged a car ect ,we would know they had at least insurance,could be banned or made to re-take a test and everyone would be safer ,okay the poor old cycle people and scooter drivers would have to pay,but they can think themselves lucky they havent had to prove they are capable to even drive.

[Becky B]

23 minutes ago, bassett one said:

re-charging insurance/tax testing ect,ect this would bring in a income to our economy ,plus make our roads safer and if someone injured someone or damaged a car ect ,we would know they had at least insurance,could be banned or made to re-take a test and everyone would be safer ,okay the poor old cycle people and scooter drivers would have to pay,but they can think themselves lucky they havent had to prove they are capable to even drive.

How many motorists, that injure someone or damage a car, get made to re-take their driving test?