Pay Per Mile Road Usage

[geared]

19 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Fair comment. I just don't believe that any new system involving a technological solution would be any more than another of method by which the government transfers public money into the private hands of whichever party doner implements the scheme for little return.

 

Exhibit A - Track and Trace app.

You'll also end up with pushing issues onto local roads.

 

Almost always these schemes look to charge more for motorways and less for quieter roads.

All that will happen is people will spill off the motorways onto other roads to save paying the higher rates.  

[rudds1]

2 hours ago, geared said:

You'll also end up with pushing issues onto local roads.

 

Almost always these schemes look to charge more for motorways and less for quieter roads.

All that will happen is people will spill off the motorways onto other roads to save paying the higher rates.  

Look at m6 toll road.  Not many people use it compared to non toll motorway 

[Anna B]

On 18/11/2020 at 14:26, geared said:

It's a pity none of the pay per mile talk has ever included any kind of large investment in public transport.

 

It's simply a hole in the taxman's pocket that needs filling, not a fundamental problem we really should address at some point.

I agree.

We used to have an excellent public transport system in Sheffield.

Reliable, regular and cheap. 

What happened to that?

 

People need to travel these days, to work, to supermarkets etc. Society has been built round the car for the last 50 years. Living local like we used to do in the past is no longer an option. All this needs to be taken into account or large swathes of the population that cannot afford pay per mile are going to be at a great disadvantage.

[classicfan]

The regular cheap public transport system was abolished by Thatcher with deregulation legislation.

[El Cid]

On 18/11/2020 at 15:23, ads36 said:

because we're moving towards cars that don't use fuel.

 

(or at least, not in a way that lends itself readily to taxation)

Why is it not easy to tax electricity? We pay a 5% tax now.

I believe in everyone having a personal carbon allowance, we already have energy bills with both a standing daily charge and a ££ per unit.

We should be allowed a certain ammount of fuel at zero or a low tax rate, then once people have used their daily allowance the tax rate would increase to 40%/50%/60%

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/personal-carbon-allowances-budgets

[Anna B]

6 hours ago, classicfan said:

The regular cheap public transport system was abolished by Thatcher with deregulation legislation.

Didn't she say something about anyone over 30 needing to use public transport should be ashamed as it was a public admission of failure. Something like that anyway.

[Baron99]

7 hours ago, Anna B said:

Didn't she say something about anyone over 30 needing to use public transport should be ashamed as it was a public admission of failure. Something like that anyway.

It was supposedly attributed to Thatcher, as supposedly told to Hugo Vickers but there is no actual proof.   Its one of those urban myths, much like her often misquoted, "There is no such thing as society", speech. 

 

I'm sure I saw a similar quote decades before, attributed to an American industrialist. 

Edited November 21, 2020 by Baron99

[RollingJ]

Thanks, @Baron99- lots of 'supposedlies' in there.😀

[Anna B]

Meanwhile, 1 in 3 motorists say even the cheapest electric cars are too expensive for them to afford.

 

Analysis by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) says even middle earning households will have difficulty affording the £170 a month to lease the cheapest electric car, a Skoda Citigo. They say "access to an electric vehicle is a pipe dream for a third of the population." That equates to 10 million households.

 

So Thatcher or no Thatcher, it will be back to the bus for many of us. Let's hope the service is there and functioning.