No New Petrol Or Diesel Cars After 2030-Will There Be A U Turn?

[geared]

5 hours ago, Baron99 said:

As previously mentioned by others, tax revenues will be hit by EV use. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55358100

 

"One idea would be to charge motorists for every mile they drive.  But the AA says such road pricing will be tough to sell politically.

 

Instead, the motoring organisation is proposing a system of "Road Miles" in which motorists are allowed to drive free of charge for 3,000 miles (4,000 in rural areas) before they start paying."

 

Think that's a fair idea by the AA?

 

I don't know why a new system has to be introduced, seems pretty stupid really.

Just tax the bloody things like any other car, figure out a number and slap it on.

 

Remember back when there were only two car tax brackets to worry about?

5 hours ago, Baron99 said:

As previously mentioned by others, tax revenues will be hit by EV use. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55358100

 

"One idea would be to charge motorists for every mile they drive.  But the AA says such road pricing will be tough to sell politically.

 

Instead, the motoring organisation is proposing a system of "Road Miles" in which motorists are allowed to drive free of charge for 3,000 miles (4,000 in rural areas) before they start paying."

 

Think that's a fair idea by the AA?

People have been using old batteries for various pieces of tech to make powerwalls for ages.

 

Usually a DIY project, because there's so much variation in the quality of used cells that no company would ever be able to sell them on as part of a unit.

[geared]

On 19/12/2020 at 09:18, enntee said:

@ "geared"

They are talking about the tax revenues from fuel sales, not VED. 😁

They also don't pay VED tho, another pretty decent hole in the budget.

[srtaylo0]

On 08/12/2020 at 00:23, Longcol said:

Looks like it'll be a fair size bigger than your usual fuel station and with a much lower throughput. And where are they going to put the queue if all bays are full?

Most cars back then would have a jerry can of petrol or two strapped to the back of the car "in case".

 

Can't see anyone being able to carry a spare battery.

Earlier this year I took the plunge and bought an ev. Not a mad expensive one - a modest egolf. 
 

In 10 months I have suffered one bout of range anxiety. Like a muppet I forgot to charge it. I set off to my destination - hardwick hall. Just leaving chesterfield heading to the m1 the range warning light came on (31 miles of range left ). This meant I would not have enough electrons to get me to hardwick and back home. But I knew there was charge points in chesterfield and there was enough range to get me to hardwick and then back to chesterfield for a charge. 
Arriving at hardwick I pulled out my zap app and guess what there were at least 8 chargers on the way home but the closest was at hardwick itself ! We arrived with 26 miles left (possibly enough to get home but did not want to risk it as there are a few hills on the way back and I don’t want to see what limp mode looks like ) - plugged it in went for our picnic and walk - when we got back the car was charged - for free ! 
 

 

sure we were there for a few hours but you dont need to fill it up 100% to get home - bit like an ice ! It’s all about learning about the car, how it performs how you drive and figuring out how much you need to put into it. YOU DO NOT have to sit there for hours. 
 

Normally we fill the car up at home. 
Roughly speaking the car costs about £3.50 to give 130 miles of range. 
fitting the charger at home cost me circa 300. It was not the cheapest on the market. I get my electricity from octopus who tell me the electricity only comes from clean sources. I generally plug it in at night and set the timer to charge when cheaper. I do this once or twice a week depending on runs to Nottingham etc. Most of the car use is school run, drives to the peaks etc - quite normal driving.
 

I have used the car a number of times to travel to Nottingham and Wakefield. Sure the night before I make sure the car has enough range. It’s not rocket science just a bit of thought and planning. 
 

Overall I find the car more convenient than a petrol car as I I don’t have to go out my way to fill up I just plug it in at home. 
 

the car battery has an 8 year warranty so I’m not really that worried about the life of the battery. It’s also worth noting that Evs don’t stop working on their 8th birthday, it’s just the battery is not under warranty. 
 

As others have mentioned. I don’t pay car tax and interestingly I don’t pay to park in town ! Scc have a green car scheme. 

 

a lot of people have talked about plug in hybrids. I had one of these for a few months. Worst car I have  driven. The battery only range was booked at 20 miles best I got on Sheffield hills was 14 miles. Trying to drive it in mixed mode was also disappointing I only got around 50mpg. There are cheaper regular diesels that do better than that. If you’re buying a phev then make sure it really does suit you. There are better petrol diesel cars out there. 
 

Id defo recommend getting an ev they are not scary things but you do have to think a little - like I say not rocket science !

 

The above are just my thoughts and real life experience. 
 

hope they help

Edited December 20, 2020 by srtaylo0
Added a bit of explanation of miles

[Becky B]

@srtaylo0 I'll get an electric car when

a) I can afford one (second hand prices start at twice what I paid for my last car, also second hand)

b) house prices come down enough for me to afford a house with a drive where I can park and charge it.

 

Seriously, an EV would suit the driving I have to do for work down to the ground.  Maybe large employers need to look at getting pool cars for employees to use that have to drive for work, rather than stipulating in the contract that you must have your own vehicle.

I'm glad I'm not a logistics/finance manager...

[Pyrotequila]

Just watched a TV programme on BBC1 that basically gave the impression that if this ban goes ahead, car users are screwed.

 

Not enough charging spaces, not enough capacity, increasing costs, the list goes on... 🙄

[RollingJ]

9 hours ago, Pyrotequila said:

Just watched a TV programme on BBC1 that basically gave the impression that if this ban goes ahead, car users are screwed.

 

Not enough charging spaces, not enough capacity, increasing costs, the list goes on... 🙄

Doesn't need a programme to tell us that - IMO.

[Guest]

On 18/12/2020 at 09:08, soopah said:

This is an interesting second life for EV Batteries that are no longer suitable for powering an EV anymore:
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/second-life-ev-batteries-the-newest-value-pool-in-energy-storage

 

Use with Solar power, charge up your own energy bank and have less reliance on the grid.  The power requirements of your house will be way less than what an EV wants.

There are so many new solutions coming, but people have very blinkered views and just won't be prepared to bend in any way, even though it won't even affect them.

Cars don't need to make brum brum noises, and they don't need to burn dinosaurs.  Although if they don't make brum brum noises, I'm not quite sure how spotty teenagers are going to perform their mating rituals.

Quite correct.  So many are just determined not to change simply because they don't like being told what to do.

If they don't have enough intelligence  to do it themselves, they have to be forced,  as with CAZ

[spilldig]

11 hours ago, Pyrotequila said:

Just watched a TV programme on BBC1 that basically gave the impression that if this ban goes ahead, car users are screwed.

 

Not enough charging spaces, not enough capacity, increasing costs, the list goes on... 🙄

Yes indeed, and my guess what will happen a few years down the line is that government will increasingly give incentives to filling stations to go electric so it will get that you have to drive further and further to fill up,  to the point where it's not worth a 30 mile drive or whatever to fill up with petrol,  and any diesel pumps will be solely for commercial vehicles.

[Guest]

On 18/12/2020 at 16:02, Baron99 said:

As previously mentioned by others, tax revenues will be hit by EV use. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55358100

 

"One idea would be to charge motorists for every mile they drive.  But the AA says such road pricing will be tough to sell politically.

 

Instead, the motoring organisation is proposing a system of "Road Miles" in which motorists are allowed to drive free of charge for 3,000 miles (4,000 in rural areas) before they start paying."

 

Think that's a fair idea by the AA?

Charging everyone by the mile is the only fair way to charge so that those who do a massive mileage pay the massive charges.

Why should low users subsidise the others ?

That's not the way to reduce usage of anything.

The AA's view is because they themselves do high mileage and so, don't want to pay by mile..

 

Same with frequent flyers,  their flying taxes should be charged a great deal higher after the first flight. 

[Chekhov]

On 18/11/2020 at 13:41, Baron99 said:

A deadline focuses the mind, so rather than the motor industry moaning about the time scale, just get on with it.  Or is your average family saloon more mechanically complicated than a Saturn 5 rocket?  

 

I don't think so. 

Well, unfortunately, you are wrong.

When Kennedy made his speech man was already in space, what mattered was how much money the USA was prepared to throw at the challenge *.

Developing a battery that can pack in as much energy as a petrol or diesel fuel tank is a massive technological hurdle. Trying to do it cheaply makes it even harder. Anyone can go out and buy a second hand car for around £1000 which will pretty reliably get them from Sheffield to Penzance. When, if ever, will anyone be able to go out and buy an electric car for any where near £1000 which will do that ? Even assuming the batteries ever get up to it and the charging infrastructure is put in place....

 

* Interesting point which not a lot of people know is that the Russians had a big lead in space flight because their Atom bombs were bigger than those of the USA so they had to develop bigger rockets to get them to where they were aimed. The American rockets were smaller because their bombs were more advanced and therefore smaller.

Edited July 26, 2023 by Chekhov