trastrick Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, trastrick said: Life has not been kind to Trump haters. The FBI Cabal, CIA and NIS, Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler. Liz Cheney, Romney and McConnell, CNN, Late night "comics", Wash Post and NYT. They lost another 2 this week, Crooks and Biden! May it continue! Honorable mention to Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, Special Prosecutor Jack Smith, and Att. General Merrick Garland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauxwell Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Blair and Bush junior should never have invaded Iraq. As for Afghanistan that was NATO and other allies who sent the military there with the intention of training the Afghanistan army, they didn’t make a very good job of it tho. The Taliban soon took over the country after America withdrew, I don’t think Biden anticipated that to happen so quickly. Could Biden have handled Americas withdrawal from Afghanistan better? It seemed very messy at the time. Putting pressure on Biden to stand down was the sensible thing to do. He’s well past his sell by date who should never have been the president of the USA.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 11 hours ago, hauxwell said: As for Afghanistan that was NATO and other allies who sent the military there with the intention of training the Afghanistan army, they didn’t make a very good job of it tho. The Taliban soon took over the country after America withdrew, I don’t think Biden anticipated that to happen so quickly. The treaty Trump signed with the Taliban agreed that they could take over Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 4 hours ago, Longcol said: The treaty Trump signed with the Taliban agreed that they could take over Afghanistan. Nonsense! https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf Biden News conference: Q Mr. President — do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President? Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable? THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not. Q Why? THE PRESIDENT: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable. Q Do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President? Do you trust the Taliban, sir? THE PRESIDENT: You — is that a serious question? Q It is absolutely a serious question. Do you trust the Taliban? THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not. Q Do you trust handing over the country to the Taliban? THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not trust the Taliban. Q So why are you handing the country over? Q Mr. President, is the U.S. responsible for the deaths of Afghans after you leave the country? Q Mr. President, will you amplify that question, please? Will you amplify your answer, please — why you don’t trust the Taliban? THE PRESIDENT: It’s a — it’s a silly question. Do I trust the Taliban? No. But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war. Yes, ma’am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 17 hours ago, trastrick said: Nonsense! https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf Yes - I should have said it was an "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America". Basically the Trump administration abandoned the Afghan government and people to the Taliban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 8 hours ago, Longcol said: Yes - I should have said it was an "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America". Basically the Trump administration abandoned the Afghan government and people to the Taliban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal How do you figure that? Trump had been out of power for 6 months, when Biden pulled out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 24/07/2024 at 06:59, trastrick said: How do you figure that? Trump had been out of power for 6 months, when Biden pulled out! And Trump had been in power for a good 10 months after signing the agreement - but has run down US support for the Afghan Government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal in the aftermath of the agreement, the US stopped supporting the Afghan military in its offensive operations, forcing it to take mostly defensive positions around the country. According to the agreement, US military aircraft could not attack Taliban groups waiting more than 500 meters away, giving the Taliban an edge in targeting Afghan military units. The agreement also exacerbated the decline in morale of the Afghan army and police, making them more open to accepting bargains with the Taliban. Due to a lack of information and secret annexes in the agreement, that had not been shared even with the then Afghan government, the Taliban were able to spread propaganda and disinformation about the agreement, including convincing local police and military units that the US had handed over territories to the Taliban and that they should abandon their positions.[51] In the 45 days after the agreement (between March 1 and April 15, 2020), the Taliban conducted more than 4,500 attacks in Afghanistan, an increase of more than 70% compared to the same period in the previous year.[52] More than 900 Afghan security forces were killed in the period, up from about 520 in the same period a year earlier. Meanwhile, because of a significant reduction in the number of offensives and airstrikes by Afghan and US forces against the Taliban, Taliban casualties dropped to 610 in the period down from about 1,660 in the same period a year earlier. The Pentagon spokesman, Jonathan Hoffman, said that although the Taliban stopped conducting attacks against the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, the violence was still "unacceptably high" and "not conducive to a diplomatic solution." He added: "We have continued to do defensive attacks to help defend our partners in the area and we will continue to do that."[52] On June 22, 2020, Afghanistan reported its "bloodiest week in 19 years", during which 291 members of the ANDSF were killed and 550 others wounded in 422 attacks carried out by the Taliban. At least 42 civilians, including women and children, were also killed and 105 others wounded by the Taliban across 18 provinces.[53] During the week, the Taliban kidnapped 60 civilians in the central province of Daykundi.[54] And that's all within 4 months of Trump's "treaty". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 9 hours ago, Longcol said: And Trump had been in power for a good 10 months after signing the agreement - but has run down US support for the Afghan Government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal Nonsense! Here's Joe in July, 2021, just 4 weeks before the Afghan Government collapsed. "Together, with our NATO Allies and partners, we have trained and equipped over three hu- — nearly 300,000 current serving members of the military — of the Afghan National Security Force, and many beyond that who are no longer serving. Add to that, hundreds of thousands more Afghan National Defense and Security Forces trained over the last two decades. We provided our Afghan partners with all the tools — let me emphasize: all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. We provided advanced weaponry. And we’re going to continue to provide funding and equipment. And we’ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force. Q Mr. President, will you amplify that question, please? Will you amplify your answer, please — why you don’t trust the Taliban? THE PRESIDENT: It’s a — it’s a silly question. Do I trust the Taliban? No. But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war. Yes, ma’am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamanamanana Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On 22/07/2024 at 22:48, Longcol said: The treaty Trump signed with the Taliban agreed that they could take over Afghanistan. The US beginning negotiations with the Taliban behind the back of the elected Afghan government, a clear act of bad faith that wasn't lost on those serving in the Afghan forces, is the key element that undermined the Afghan army. The contingencies in the agreement, regarding progress of a Taliban/Government power sharing deal, was broken long before Trump left office but the troop reductions continued regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilldig Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 23 hours ago, Bamanamanana said: The US beginning negotiations with the Taliban behind the back of the elected Afghan government, a clear act of bad faith that wasn't lost on those serving in the Afghan forces, is the key element that undermined the Afghan army. The contingencies in the agreement, regarding progress of a Taliban/Government power sharing deal, was broken long before Trump left office but the troop reductions continued regardless. I think things may have been better if they had never gone there to start with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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