Joe Biden The New President Thoughts So Far?

[The Joker]

47 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

It is excellent news. For the French and the wider EU. European Heads of State are rapidly re-thinking the idea of a European Army, abandoned by the UK and US it is time that Europe creates its own power. In the mean time it won't be long before we see British kids die for the flag of Freedom, again.

You think Biden's gonna start a war ?  He's  just pulled US troops out of Afghanistan

Edited September 18, 2021 by The Joker

[altus]

1 hour ago, The Joker said:

You think Biden's gonna start a war ?  He's  just pulled US troops out of Afghanistan

He wouldn't have to start one for them to become involved.

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Shouldn't they be rapidly thinking of a European Navy to help the French out by giving them the submarine contract?

I wonder how many millions will be lost due to the failed contract which was signed in 2019? I am not surprised that they are fuming.

On 11 Februarym 2019, Naval Group (ex-DCNS) sealed the deal to build the Royal Australian Navy’s next-generation submarines by signing a Strategic Partnering Agreement in Canberra with the Commonwealth of Australia. When the initial design contract was announced in April 2016, it was quickly dubbed ‘the contract of the century’.

The agreement, which will govern relations between the parties for the duration of the Future Submarine program, was signed in the presence of prime minister Scott Morrison, minister for defence Christopher Pyne, and Florence Parly, the French minister for the armed forces.

 

https://en.meretmarine.com/naval-group-signs-build-australian-subs/203763

[hauxwell]

Now France has lost the submarine contract and the UK has signed up to AUKUS. Will France blame the UK and send more boat people across the channel as punishment?

 

[El Cid]

3 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It makes sense for Australia to cancel the French contract in light of a better arrangement on offer.  I'm happy to see more cooperation between important English speaking nations and President Biden deserves credit for this policy.

Its a bussiness contract, it doesnt matter what their native language is.

[Magilla]

8 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It makes sense for Australia to cancel the French contract in light of a better arrangement on offer.

The devil is in the detail, the boats were to be built in Australia using locally sourced, where possible, materials... creating 1000's of jobs...

 

...can't imagine that will be the case with the US deal.

 

Might not play as well to the domestic audience.

[Magilla]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

The submarines under the French deal wouldn't have been nuclear powered submarines which can move at much higher speed.

Australia didn't order nuclear powered submarines, if they had they would have been

 

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

When the opportunity arose for Australia to be in a  security pact with the UK and US then it was a no brainer for them to cancel the French deal.

Perhaps, we'll see. There are many reasons this could go south, for the UK and Australia.

[Tony]

4 hours ago, Magilla said:

The devil is in the detail, the boats were to be built in Australia using locally sourced, where possible, materials... creating 1000's of jobs...

 

...can't imagine that will be the case with the US deal.

 

Might not play as well to the domestic audience.

They will be built at Osborne's in Adelaide. If my memory is correct, Osborne's is part of BAe which as you should know, is a UK business. 

 

Edit; I forgot to add that Rolls Royce seem to be in the frame to produce the engines.

Edited September 19, 2021 by Tony

[Magilla]

12 minutes ago, Tony said:

They will be built at Osborne's in Adelaide. If my memory is correct, Osborne's is part of BAe which as you should know, is a UK business. 

 

Edit; I forgot to add that Rolls Royce seem to be in the frame to produce the engines.

Good to know... sounds like Biden's pulled a blinder then.

[altus]

30 minutes ago, Tony said:

They will be built at Osborne's in Adelaide. If my memory is correct, Osborne's is part of BAe which as you should know, is a UK business.

The profits of that may be booked to the UK, it won't create any British jobs though.

 

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Edit; I forgot to add that Rolls Royce seem to be in the frame to produce the engines.

Rolls Royce are one of the potential suppliers of engines. They'll be up against stiff competition from US companies. It's too early to tell who will get the contracts for building them and anything else the Aussies will have to buy in.

 

Australia haven't been a captive market for UK products for a very long time, they'll have no automatic preference for choosing UK products over US ones due to our historical links. It's at best premature to claim this as a massive win for UK businesses yet.