Annie Bynnol Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, trastrick said: "The FBI almost always declines to answer direct questions relating to ongoing cases." Lol You must have missed Obama's FBI Direct Comey's frequent appearances on TV during the Hillary Email Scandal, and the "Russian Collusion" Conspiracy theory. And Obama's CIA Director Brennan's regular gig on CNN calling Trump "traitorous", along with McCabe, and the rest of the Trump obsessed haters. Lol Talking of "...the Trump obsessed"... Edited January 23, 2022 by Annie Bynnol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, trastrick said: You must have missed Obama's FBI Direct Comey's frequent appearances on TV during the Hillary Email Scandal... ...I must have missed the part where he was running around giving insider details of the investigation at the beck and call of whoever was asking about them Quote and the "Russian Collusion" Conspiracy theory. You should tell the Republican led Senate committee tasked with investigating it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate-idUSKCN25E1US Turns out, it wasn't a "theory" at all Quote And Obama's CIA Director Brennan's regular gig on CNN calling Trump "traitorous", along with McCabe, and the rest of the Trump obsessed haters. Yawn... yet again complaining that you got a taste of your own medicine: https://www.axios.com/trump-treason-russia-investigation-new-york-times-e1660029-c73c-4809-8bd5-8988f1ed4fda.html ...by your standard, Trump is the biggest hater of them all! Edited January 23, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffieldBricky Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 What's obvious on this topic as with the covid thread is that people who rabidly defended a position now know they are wrong but they double down. No sense of doing the decent thing. Admitting the truth is not difficult if you were misled. I'm afraid that calibre of person isn't worthy of debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SheffieldBricky said: What's obvious on this topic as with the covid thread is that people who rabidly defended a position now know they are wrong but they double down. No sense of doing the decent thing. Admitting the truth is not difficult if you were misled. I'm afraid that calibre of person isn't worthy of debate. Yeah, but what about people other than you! You describe yourself, to a tee! Edited January 23, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 So the far-right/Covid deniers/Conspiracy Theorists are seeking Asylum on this thread, how surprising, after their failure to have any impact on World, British, Sheffield, forum, thread, anybody's opinion. This thread is about Biden as President. If you lot can stick to Biden without resurrecting Trump that would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Of course. The definition of a conspiracy theory, is a when a false narrative is vehemently defended by those irrational people who can not bring themselves to admit they were wrong, even when subsequent events reveal the truth, and even the principal protagonists, admit they were wrong. See: Obama's FBI Director James Comey "I Was Wrong’: Comey Admits To ‘Real Sloppiness’ In Russia Investigation" https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/12/15/i-was-wrong-comey-admits-to-real-sloppiness-in-russia-investigation/?sh=30f8d2f21c6b and: Obama's CIA Director John Brennan "Brennan on Mueller summary" ""I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was," https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/435653-brennan-on-mueller-report-summary-i-think-i-suspected-there-was-more Lol Especially when the subject is under a current Criminal Investigation by one John Durham, with the outcome to be revealed sometime before the Mid Term elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 20 hours ago, trastrick said: Of course. The definition of a conspiracy theory, is a when a false narrative is vehemently defended by those irrational people who can not bring themselves to admit they were wrong, even when subsequent events reveal the truth, and even the principal protagonists, admit they were wrong. See: Obama's FBI Director James Comey "I Was Wrong’: Comey Admits To ‘Real Sloppiness’ In Russia Investigation" https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/12/15/i-was-wrong-comey-admits-to-real-sloppiness-in-russia-investigation/?sh=30f8d2f21c6b As per your linked article, the central claim of Trump, who accused to the FBI of "treason, of illegal spying, of tapping Mr. Trump’s wires illegally, of opening an investigation without justification, of being a criminal conspiracy to defeat and then unseat a president." ...was all nonsense. 20 hours ago, trastrick said: Obama's CIA Director John Brennan "Brennan on Mueller summary" ""I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was," https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/435653-brennan-on-mueller-report-summary-i-think-i-suspected-there-was-more Said after publication of Barr's "interpretation" of the Mueller report, before it was published. Mueller later made a public statement to say that interpretation was incorrect and misleading! Somewhat ironic that Brennan was commenting on something that didn't turn out to be entirely true, don't you think? 20 hours ago, trastrick said: Especially when the subject is under a current Criminal Investigation by one John Durham, with the outcome to be revealed sometime before the Mid Term elections. Given that the underlying reason for the investigation, according to Mueller, was that: "a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."... What are you going to do if Durham says the investigation was justified, like the previous Justice Department inspector generals investigation did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Magilla said: As per your linked article, the central claim of Trump, who accused to the FBI of "treason, of illegal spying, of tapping Mr. Trump’s wires illegally, of opening an investigation without justification, of being a criminal conspiracy to defeat and then unseat a president." ...was all nonsense. Said after publication of Barr's "interpretation" of the Mueller report, before it was published. Mueller later made a public statement to say that interpretation was incorrect and misleading! Somewhat ironic that Brennan was commenting on something that didn't turn out to be entirely true, don't you think? Given that the underlying reason for the investigation, according to Mueller, was that: "a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."... What are you going to do if Durham says the investigation was justified, like the previous Justice Department inspector generals investigation did? Fair question. Accept it an move on, of course! And If he comes up with a different conclusion? Note: "The only person charged in the Justice Department's investigation into the origins of the probe of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and its ties to Russia was spared prison time for altering an email used to support a surveillance application. "Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, received the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/29/fbi-lawyer-trump-russia-probe-email-463750 And "Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton" Sep 16, 2021 — Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI ... Michael Sussmann, who worked through his law firm as ... https://www.politico.com › news › 2021/09/16 › special... And "Russia expert who contributed to the Steele dossier charged with 5 counts of making false statements as part of John Durham's probe" https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-analyst-igor-danchenko-steele-dossier-arrested-durham-probe-nyt-2021-11?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral So we shall see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, trastrick said: Fair question. Accept it an move on, of course! First time for everything! 3 hours ago, trastrick said: And If he comes up with a different conclusion? The problem is, no-one of any note thinks he will. 3 hours ago, trastrick said: "The only person charged in the Justice Department's investigation into the origins of the probe of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and its ties to Russia was spared prison time for altering an email used to support a surveillance application. "Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, received the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/29/fbi-lawyer-trump-russia-probe-email-463750 "My view of the evidence is that Mr. Clinesmith likely believed that what he said about Mr. Page was true," [the Judge] Boasberg said. "By altering the email, he was saving himself some work and taking an inappropriate shortcut." Lazy, but smoking gun it ain't. 3 hours ago, trastrick said: "Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton" Sep 16, 2021 — Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI ... Michael Sussmann, who worked through his law firm as ... https://www.politico.com › news › 2021/09/16 › special... Charged with failing to declare who his clients were, the charge does not relate to any information he provided being false Even then, very slim pickings: https://www.lawfareblog.com/special-counsels-weird-prosecution-michael-sussmann 3 hours ago, trastrick said: "Russia expert who contributed to the Steele dossier charged with 5 counts of making false statements as part of John Durham's probe" https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-analyst-igor-danchenko-steele-dossier-arrested-durham-probe-nyt-2021-11?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral The Steele dossier only relates to the Carter Page matter, which was only one relatively unimportant thread of the larger Russia investigation. The Steel dossier, or anything in any of the cases above, aren't related to why the Special Prosecutor was appointed 3 hours ago, trastrick said: So we shall see! We shall, but considering the sheer number of confessions and convictions as a result of the Special Prosecutors investigation... ...gunna be very difficult to say it wasn't justified or shouldn't have happened (IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Biden leading Trump, DeSantis by similar margins in new poll: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/591590-biden-leading-trump-desantis-by-similar-margins-in-new-poll "if the 2024 presidential election were held today 43 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would vote for Trump 41 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would support DeSantis" Morning Consult/Politico: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-92cd-db3e-a17e-d2ff8b5d0000&nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f115-dd93-ad7f-f91513e50001&nlid=630318 "if the 2024 presidential election were held today 45 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 44 percent would vote for Trump 44 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 39 percent would support DeSantis" Polls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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