Guest busdriver1 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, butlers said: RAC reckon on cost per mile of hydrogen is currently 4 times the cost of electric. Did not know the biggest hydrogen producing plant in Europe(?) is in Sheffield. Compared to battery power, hydrogen is very much in its infancy. After a short while I am sure there will be progress in that field. The big leveller could be the residual value of battery cars as it is anticipated by many that the current high depreciation of them will continue leaving them with a VERY low value at approx 10 years when they need new batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, busdriver1 said: Compared to battery power, hydrogen is very much in its infancy. After a short while I am sure there will be progress in that field. The big leveller could be the residual value of battery cars as it is anticipated by many that the current high depreciation of them will continue leaving them with a VERY low value at approx 10 years when they need new batteries. As opposed to ICE cars that have huge value after 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 hours ago, butlers said: RAC reckon on cost per mile of hydrogen is currently 4 times the cost of electric. Did not know the biggest hydrogen producing plant in Europe(?) is in Sheffield. The cost of electric varies quite alot tho. You pay a much higher price using the fast chargers than you might at home, some are upwards of 50p/kWh. This becomes abit of a problem when some of the large electric SUV's manage only slightly over 2 miles per kWh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest busdriver1 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 17 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: As opposed to ICE cars that have huge value after 10 years. Missing the point. The value being referred to is a direct comparison between the 2. The depreciation of mainly the lower end electric vehicles is of concern to many. It is felt that at 10 years old many smaller electric cars may actually have zero value. The larger ones seem to be holding up at least as well as a diesel or petrol but given that the purchase price is so much higher and depreciation is given in percentages coupled with uncertainty with battery life it will be interesting to see where values go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 19 hours ago, butlers said: RAC reckon on cost per mile of hydrogen is currently 4 times the cost of electric. Did not know the biggest hydrogen producing plant in Europe(?) is in Sheffield. Where's that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) https://theenergyst.com/hydrogen-itm-power-to-open-worlds-biggest-electrolyser-factory-in-sheffield/ I might have misinterpreted it Edited June 19, 2021 by butlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, busdriver1 said: Missing the point. The value being referred to is a direct comparison between the 2. The depreciation of mainly the lower end electric vehicles is of concern to many. It is felt that at 10 years old many smaller electric cars may actually have zero value. The larger ones seem to be holding up at least as well as a diesel or petrol but given that the purchase price is so much higher and depreciation is given in percentages coupled with uncertainty with battery life it will be interesting to see where values go. Can't speak for others but Tesla batteries are designed to last for 300k - 500k miles. And given the cost of "filling up" compared with diesel (have you seen the price of it lately??) It might - hopefully even out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 11:38, butlers said: https://theenergyst.com/hydrogen-itm-power-to-open-worlds-biggest-electrolyser-factory-in-sheffield/ I might have misinterpreted it Kinda thought you might have, but a Sheffield story worth shouting about none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 over the week end , i realised that there are *hundreds* of parking spaces, all a shortish walk around my neighbourhood - and almost all of them are empty most of the time. Pubs. There are 5 pubs around me, and they've all got sizeable car parks, that are totally empty, 5 nights of the week. An enterprising pub owner would put car-chargers in their car park. 5 pubs x 5 nights a week x 30 parking spaces = 750 cars charged per week. if i had no other choice, i'd happily pay upwards of £10/night for a charging parking space. That's an additional income of £1500/week/pub! This will definitely happen. in fact, a quick google suggests it already *is* happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 16:33, busdriver1 said: Compared to battery power, hydrogen is very much in its infancy. I think it got left by the wayside when LPG came in. Top Gear have reviewed hydrogen a few years, this goes back to 2003: And again in 2009 with the Honda Clarity: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/watch-topgear-test-fcx-clarity-call-it-future-of-motoring/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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