60% Of The Amazon Rain Forest Will Be Gone By 2050 But We Still Demand More

[GabrielC]

When I seek information about climate change I look at published university data not mainstream media which lacks depth in information. Not only is climate change an issue  but we need to rethink the way we live look how much plastic we use not the most recyclable material is it ? But most foods are package with it all of which ends up in the landfill or in the sea. We eat a lot of meat we need to cut down on it I suspect more SARS like viruses will jump to us in the future if we carry like this. Granted we could produce vaccines but it's not certain how effective they are virus change over time some get weaker others stronger. 

 

It is really up to us to do more or end up with problems that no one as an clue what to do with. 

 

 

[butlers]

Good news an area of forest the size of France has regrown  in last 20 years.

 

 

Not so good news ,7 times as much as been cut down.

 

 

Force of Nature ,if you want to go read more

[trastrick]

13 hours ago, butlers said:

You can also try and find articles that say there is no climate change but you look at the overwhelming consensus of acredited  scientists.

What our response is is a different question.

 

Of course the Fossil Fuel industry bis also one of those " THEYS" but I will name them.

They had every interest in disputing something that would likely lead to actions to reduce there profits and close significant parts of the industry

They still do, Lol

 

You don't understand Corporate Marketing. They spend $billions on Public Relations and lobbying.

 

BP, EXXON and Chevron have now embraced climate change. Keep up with the news!

 

They have joined the bandwagon, along with the millionaire celebs, and even the Pope, who want the plebes to keep lining up to buy their products.

 

Say the right PC words, and you'll face no opposition from the woke crowd.

 

It's all about profits and it's so easy with todays gullible public.

 

March 25, 2021

NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/big-oil-just-one-industry-hoping-carbon-capture-will-help-n1265141

 

"Big Oil is just one industry hoping carbon capture will help it survive the new green economy"

"From Big Oil to Big Tech, companies are rushing in to a new kind of business they believe will keep their industry surviving in the new net-zero economy: carbon capture.

With the oil market still fragile after inventories reached historic highs early in the pandemic, carbon capture has become a major draw for fossil fuel titans as they scramble to stay afloat in a new green economy".

March 25, 2021

 

NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/big-oil-just-one-industry-hoping-carbon-capture-will-help-n1265141

"WASHINGTON — The top oil and gas industry lobby group on Thursday endorsed putting a federal price on carbon dioxide emissions, a reversal designed to show seriousness in addressing climate change.

The decision by the American Petroleum Institute, whose membership includes oil giants such as ExxonMobil and Chevron, ends the group's long-standing opposition that helped sink cap-and-trade legislation just over a decade ago".

[trastrick]

12 hours ago, butlers said:

Good news an area of forest the size of France has regrown  in last 20 years.

 

 

Not so good news ,7 times as much as been cut down.

 

 

Force of Nature ,if you want to go read more

More good news!

 

Apr 26, 2016, NASA 

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

 

"Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds"

 

"From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions.

The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to TWO TIMES THE UNITED STATES". (Caps mine)

 

I'll see your "area of forest the size of France", and raise you with, my area,"TWO TIMES THE UNITED STATES", lol

[trastrick]

12 hours ago, GabrielC said:

When I seek information about climate change I look at published university data not mainstream media which lacks depth in information. Not only is climate change an issue  but we need to rethink the way we live look how much plastic we use not the most recyclable material is it ? But most foods are package with it all of which ends up in the landfill or in the sea. We eat a lot of meat we need to cut down on it I suspect more SARS like viruses will jump to us in the future if we carry like this. Granted we could produce vaccines but it's not certain how effective they are virus change over time some get weaker others stronger. 

 

It is really up to us to do more or end up with problems that no one as an clue what to do with. 

Simplistic solutions will not solve the World's problems.

 

Same as saying why don't we just stop all wars and feed the hungry with the savings? 

 

Look around your house, there's a lot of plastic in the construction, your appliances, computers and your entertainment systems. What alternative product would you propose?

 

Likewise single use plastics have been a godsend during this pandemic protecting precious medical supplies.

 

In your Tesco or ARDA, they are used to protect the food products from contamination from lethal germs, not to mention the dirty  groping hands that like to squeeze the strawberries and taste the grapes.

 

 

[butlers]

That greening effect looks like unmitigated good news.

However further reading means it is not quite what it seems 

This quote is from the lead researcher on the paper.

 

Using multiple long-term satellite- and ground-based datasets, we showed that global CFE has declined across most terrestrial regions of the globe from 1982 to 2015

 

And again,at best, it's only a part mitigation of ever increasing CO2 in atmosphere.

There's also a significant problem with the type of vegetation increasing if you read the paper

 

[trastrick]

14 hours ago, butlers said:

You can also try and find articles that say there is no climate change but you look at the overwhelming consensus of acredited  scientists.

 

But "consensus" does not equate to truth.  Never did.

 

But going up against the "conventional wisdom" of the day is never popular. It has cost people their careers, union membership, family unity, and even their imprisonment and death.

 

Socrates was sentenced to death for not believing in the "gods of the State".

 

Galilao was tried by the inquisition and forced to recant his discovery that the Earth actually revolved around the sun.

 

Charles Darwin was mocked by Bishop Wilberforce, "arguing that it was not supported by the facts, and he noted that the greatest names in science were opposed to the theory".

 

Isaac Newton's "postulate of an invisible force (gravity) able to act over vast distances led to him being criticised for introducing "occult agencies" into science".

 

Alfred Wegener's hypothesis of Continental Drift was rejected by many for lack of any motive mechanism.

 

And in the field of medicine, the examples are too numerous to mention, after Pasteur.

Skeptics all. But without skeptics, science cannot advance.

 

In more recent times see U.S.S.R., China, North Korea, Cuba. Their jails and forced labor camps are full of "deniers".

Edited May 12, 2021 by trastrick

[butlers]

When they came for Piers Corbyn.....

 

Studies led by Trevor Keenan from the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) show that, from 2002 to 2014, plants appear to have gone into overdrive, starting to pull more CO₂ out of the air than they have done before. The result was that the rate at which CO₂ accumulates in the atmosphere did not increase during this time period, although previously, it had grown considerably in concert with growing greenhouse gas emissions. Keenan concluded “Unfortunately, this increase is nowhere near enough to stop climate change.”^[17]

 

 

 

 

[butlers]

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible

[trastrick]

21 hours ago, butlers said:

In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible

Like I said, in science, the "conventional wisdom" of the time is not the same thing as truth.

 

Since Aristotle,  there has been a consistent history of new breakthroughs, brought to light by those who were skeptics, and labeled heretics, blasphemers and deniers in their day.

 

As a keen student of science, my only problem is with those who insist "the science is settled", and are heavily invested religiously, politically, or financially, or by reputation, in the status quo.

 

Since early man, animals and birds cleaned out their caves, dens, and nests, there has been a natural concern with their environments. The Romans had clean water supplies and sewers, and London built it's first major sewer projects in the 1850s.

 

Environment awareness and "enlightenment" did not begin, as some would have you believe, in 1962. Or on the first Earth Day April 22, 1970, (coincidentally?) Lenin's Birthday.