hauxwell Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I changed my Driving Licence from the paper one to the photo card one a few years after the Twin Towers in America were blown up by terrorists. It seemed to change a few things after that. The banks were concerned about money laundering and security. It was becoming difficult to open a bank account if you didn’t have a passport, which I didn’t at the time, or the photo card driving license. Now everything seems to be checked electronically. At the time I remember thinking it wasn’t a bad idea when Tony Blair wanted to bring in identity cards, I thought it would solve the problem. I wonder why Blair scrapped the idea? I have known people in the past, before postal voting was allowed, use someone else’s voting card because they were unable to go to the polling station to vote for them. Photo identification would stop that. I can’t say I’m against the idea of having to take a photo ID to the polling station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) No to ID cards. We already have polling cards. Maybe they should be more strictly enforced at polling stations. Passports or photo driving licences could also be used if you have them. Bureaucracy is inclined to grow exponentially and can get out of control. All these civil servants must need something to do. Freedom is important, I don't want policemen demanding to 'see my papers' every five minutes. They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round. Edited May 17, 2021 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, West 77 said: Michelle Duberry made some sensible comments on Question Time regarding photo ID for voting. It's madness that currently outside Northern Ireland any Tom, Dick or Muhammad can turn up to vote and say they are any person living at any address. Why would they do that? There is no evidence of that happening, or at least on anything like the scale of Postal Voting, where control of sending them out or delivering can result in hundereds or thousands of votes being tampered with. All forms of ID cards (the other option being considered) have been tampered with in the past, and they are easy to fake as well - ask anybody involved in security at nightclubs, or border control, especially recently with "evidence" of negative Covid testss. If you do trust photo ID cards, by all means feel free to allow access to anybody knocking on your door saying they are from the gas board looking for a leak - but don't expect your family silver still to be there next time you look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Thirsty Relic said: Why would they do that? There is no evidence of that happening, or at least on anything like the scale of Postal Voting, where control of sending them out or delivering can result in hundereds or thousands of votes being tampered with. All forms of ID cards (the other option being considered) have been tampered with in the past, and they are easy to fake as well - ask anybody involved in security at nightclubs, or border control, especially recently with "evidence" of negative Covid testss. If you do trust photo ID cards, by all means feel free to allow access to anybody knocking on your door saying they are from the gas board looking for a leak - but don't expect your family silver still to be there next time you look! That's a good point, many 16 and 17 year old have fake driving licences to get into pubs. I just googled "fake uk driving licence" and the second website was one offering to sell me one. I'm sure one of the 9 (i think?)* people recently convicted of voter fraud would be able to get hold of photo ID if they so wish. As I said earlier in the thread, it's using a sledgehammer to crack a (fairly non-existant) nut. *conviction data taken from https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, hauxwell said: At the time I remember thinking it wasn’t a bad idea when Tony Blair wanted to bring in identity cards, I thought it would solve the problem. I wonder why Blair scrapped the idea? Rising costs and voters were completely against it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10164331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, alchresearch said: Rising costs and voters were completely against it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10164331 And the change of parliament too; the ConDemNation coalition won the 2010 election, which was the final nail in the coffin of ID cards . . . or so I naively thought at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Joker said: but . . . but . . . but . . . we left the EU because we don't want to follow their instructions. Now thanks to Brexit, not only do we have additional levels of bureaucracy and red tape when dealing with European nations, you're now cheerleading the imposition ID cards. Just like many European countries have! Point me to the post where I am cheerleading the imposition of ID cards please as a National ID system and a voter photo ID system are two completely different ideas. 1 hour ago, whiteowl said: That's a good point, many 16 and 17 year old have fake driving licences to get into pubs. They do? I wonder where they get the £600 for one and how they pay for them as they have to pay by card online. Edited May 17, 2021 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, apelike said: Point me to the post where I am cheerleading the imposition of ID cards please as a National ID system and a voter photo ID system are two completely different ideas. They do? I wonder where they get the £600 for one and how they pay for them as they have to pay by card online. Yup, it's fairly common. I doubt they pay £600 for one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 15 hours ago, The Joker said: Then you're either overthinking the question, or you haven't thought it through enough. Sorry, that's a bobbins answer and I don't even know how to reply to it. Well done. I've still not seen a cohesive argument as to how a free form of photographic voter ID prevents people who vote now from voting in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauxwell Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, alchresearch said: Rising costs and voters were completely against it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10164331 Thank you for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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