Has The Time Come To Replace The Welfare State With Universal Basic Income?

[trastrick]

44 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

If you'd have BUI you'd have been able to afford to take the bus and later buy a car. 

 

It's been trialled in Finland and Spain are giving it some thought.

But then I wouldn't have the incentive or the motivation to work hard, take a second job, save my money, get out of Sheffield, start up a successful company, and live my retirement years, happy and healthy, on a beautiful tropical paradise island in the Caribbean.

[tinfoilhat]

30 minutes ago, trastrick said:

But then I wouldn't have the incentive or the motivation to work hard, take a second job, save my money, get out of Sheffield, start up a successful company, and live my retirement years, happy and healthy, on a beautiful tropical paradise island in the Caribbean.

You wouldn't have needed a second job with that fabulous imagination!

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

But then I wouldn't have the incentive or the motivation to work hard, take a second job, save my money, get out of Sheffield, start up a successful company, and live my retirement years, happy and healthy, on a beautiful tropical paradise island in the Caribbean.

Do tax credits take away the incentive to work?

[Mr Allen]

Just now, El Cid said:

Do tax credits take away the incentive to work?

No because contrary to the ill advised warblings of the Daily Fail, you have to work to get tax credits in the first place  

 

 

[El Cid]

6 minutes ago, Mr Allen said:

No because contrary to the ill advised warblings of the Daily Fail, you have to work to get tax credits in the first place

Child benefit and housing benefit?

[RollingJ]

3 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Child benefit and housing benefit?

Those are not tax credits, they are benefits - similar outcome, but different all the same.

[bassett one]

sorry,but does everyone get the same ,working or not,what about disabled and oaps? sorry i must be thick,but hows it work?

[GabrielC]

I don't know every little tiny detail about UBI but the everyone would get the same amount each month. Disabled benefits ( PIP) may be still be separate so could Child Benefits the age for eligibility could be 18. Housing costs could be part of the payment for renting. More countries are looking at this idea like the Netherlands , Spain, Norway and Finland. Scotland have piloted the scheme in some of their cities, Northern Ireland are looking into the idea so is Wales as of yet no England  as no plans but still carrys on with its over complex system. Even Kenya is now thinking of giving its citizens an monthly payment to lift more out of poverty. As time matches on and more jobs are done by technology they will be a need for UBI. 

 

 

[trastrick]

Just now, GabrielC said:

I don't know every little tiny detail about UBI but the everyone would get the same amount each month. Disabled benefits ( PIP) may be still be separate so could Child Benefits the age for eligibility could be 18. Housing costs could be part of the payment for renting. More countries are looking at this idea like the Netherlands , Spain, Norway and Finland. Scotland have piloted the scheme in some of their cities, Northern Ireland are looking into the idea so is Wales as of yet no England  as no plans but still carrys on with its over complex system. Even Kenya is now thinking of giving its citizens an monthly payment to lift more out of poverty. As time matches on and more jobs are done by technology they will be a need for UBI. 

 

 

Everyone? Even the rich? Even the lazy louts who chose to spend the money on booze and drugs?

 

A social safety net should take care of the needy

 

The rest must pay for it.

 

How about a means test?

 

[trastrick]

1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

You wouldn't have needed a second job with that fabulous imagination!

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