Mask Required?

[butlers]

This  presupposes doctors en masse are wilfully misdiagnosing cause of death.

Think there's something in the order of 180,000 death certs mention covid ,so there's already a distinction drawn .

 

As to lack of autopsy's , I think covid patients were dying on average after 8 days treatment  so they are hardly unexplained deaths.

Edited July 9, 2021 by butlers

[Longcol]

20 minutes ago, butlers said:

This nonsense presupposes doctors en masse are wilfully mis diagnosing cause of death.

Think there's something in the order of 180,000 death certs mention covid ,so there's already a distinction drawn .

 

As to lack of autopsy's , I think covid patients were dying on average after 8 days treatment  so they are hardly unexplained deaths.

It might be useful to look at a death certificate and accompanying guidance notes.

 

https://geekymedics.com/certification-death-uk-osce-guide/

 

And more useful information here

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics?:uri=aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

 

"The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence. For statistical purposes one of the health conditions on the certificate is chosen as the 'underlying cause of death'. The underlying cause of death is defined as the health condition or event that started the train of events leading to death and is worked out according to rules from the World Health Organisation (WHO). COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death in around 92% of deaths where it was mentioned on the death certificate."

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Longcol

[Carbuncle]

42 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

How about 'Death BY covid'? Maybe not as easy in terms of collection but certainly more practical in terms of 'being true'

Everybody would prefer to know 'death by covid' but what does it mean and how do we measure it?

[RJRB]

Of the many mistakes and misjudgements by the government,lifting the mandatory use of masks in certain circumstances ranks highly.

A crazy and unnecessary move which is causing confusion and consternation to the public at large.

This is a weak government that has bowed to the demands of the reckless lobbiers who put freedom above all else.

 

[Longcol]

Just now, RJRB said:

Of the many mistakes and misjudgements by the government,lifting the mandatory use of masks in certain circumstances ranks highly.

A crazy and unnecessary move which is causing confusion and consternation to the public at large.

This is a weak government that has bowed to the demands of the reckless lobbiers who put freedom their personal profits and self interest  above all else.

 

FTFY.

[ab6262]

11 hours ago, RJRB said:

Of the many mistakes and misjudgements by the government,lifting the mandatory use of masks in certain circumstances ranks highly.

A crazy and unnecessary move which is causing confusion and consternation to the public at large.

This is a weak government that has bowed to the demands of the reckless lobbiers who put freedom above all else.

 

what are you on? Lobbiers?? oh you mean the vast majority who want to see these farcical masks and restrictions removed?

this freedom and right to live is what runs the country its called the economy and its teetering right now.

fine all those that are scared and fearful stay in wear your masks to bed if you like but check under the bed before sleep in case the bogey covid man is there?

[butlers]

And if course the recent polling saw 70 plus per cent say they were going to continue to use a mask in appropriate circumstances.

 

[crookesey]

This is not a serious post so apologies to the humourless in advance. Going through a box of kids stuff saved by my late mother I noted a Lone Ranger Face Mask, as this only covers the eyes I will resist it’s usage. 😉

[apelike]

30 minutes ago, butlers said:

And if course the recent polling saw 70 plus per cent say they were going to continue to use a mask in appropriate circumstances.

That fine and they can if they want do that but it also follows that people who don't want to can also not wear one. Did that polling also ask if those who will carry on wearing one had been vaccinated or not? It's also notable that even though the law still stands at the moment and despite those 70%+ all wearing them the infection rate has still increased rapidly over the past few weeks.

[ab6262]

1 hour ago, butlers said:

And if course the recent polling saw 70 plus per cent say they were going to continue to use a mask in appropriate circumstances.

 

suppose it depends on who the pollsters asked, selective probably?