El Cid Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, apelike said: That's not what I was commenting on but this: "people stay on benefits because off all the freebies" which was surprising coming from you as its usually a Tory rant. Also this, "Anything which is free, encourages waste." With socialism and the NHS everything should be free regardless of means and that also applies to prescriptions, so having any charge at all is against socialist principles even if it is £3-£5. I am sure other people have a mix of views, I can debate anything really I think Scotland have a better democracy with more freebies, but I still believe work is good, for everyone. But then its great if there is a person staying home and not working if they have children. If you live in Scotland or Wales, you become eligible for a free bus pass when you reach 60, but not in England; because England has a poor democracy. Can we force elderly Scots and Welsh to pay for their bus travel, or should us English get free travel from 60 Is that racial discrimination? Edited July 4, 2021 by El Cid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, El Cid said: I am sure other people have a mix of views, I can debate anything really I think Scotland have a better democracy with more freebies, but I still believe work is good, for everyone. But then its great if there is a person staying home and not working if they have children. If you live in Scotland or Wales, you become eligible for a free bus pass when you reach 60, but not in England; because England has a poor democracy. Can we force elderly Scots and Welsh to pay for their bus travel, or should us English get free travel from 60 Is that racial discrimination? Bolded/underlined bit - no, it is devolved administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, RollingJ said: Bolded/underlined bit - no, it is devolved administration. Does England have a 'devolved administration'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirsty Relic Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, El Cid said: Does England have a 'devolved administration'? Not to my knowledge - I know Cornwall is pushing for one, I wish South Yorkshire would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said: most no doubt could, which leaves those who can't having to be means-tested (more burden on the state to sort the paperwork out etc). Those who are not in work? If they can't afford it? - more means testing etc etc. Overall, wouldn't it be simpler (and cheaper when you think of all the administration involved) to stay with free prescriptions once you reach 60? Prescriptions are already 'means tested' - if you claim benefits, you get free prescriptions. If you are out of work at 59, you get free prescriptions, if you are out of work at 60 you'll get a free prescription. Do you think the cost of changing the criteria from 'are you on benefits or over 60' to 'are you on benefits or claiming state pension' will be prohibitive, and if yes how much do you think it will cost for you to think it's not worthwhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said: Not to my knowledge - I know Cornwall is pushing for one, I wish South Yorkshire would! Maybe our new Mayors will help that, but its not a real equivalence. A Mayor will have much less power than a devolved Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 8 hours ago, El Cid said: Does England have a 'devolved administration'? No - All English decisions of the type being discussed are made at Westminster. Certain responsibilities are however handed down - think SYPTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKAMD Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 15 hours ago, West 77 said: Exactly correct. It makes no sense to have free prescriptions for working people below retirement age. Why do we have to increase retirement age? Surely we should be reducing it to create jobs for the young people entering the labour market and better quality of life for all! And before you say who is going to pay for the extra pensions, it should come from the wealth created by the country: sharing it instead of stuffing it in billionaires' bank accounts! And, why not free prescriptions for all, like in Scotland? Thought we were one union!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, AKAMD said: Why do we have to increase retirement age? People have their own personal or occupational pension and the state pension, they can retire when they choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, El Cid said: People have their own personal or occupational pension and the state pension, they can retire when they choose. While the latter is true in order to qualify for a state retirement pension you have to reach the state pension retirement age which is at the moment 65. With an occupational pension that depends on the scheme you are in but again that is usually 65. It can be as low as 55 in some circumstances but that would be with a reduced amount. Edited July 5, 2021 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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