The Near Total Failure Of The Us & Uk Occupation Of Afghanistan

[Carbuncle]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

"Domestic sectarian violence", means religious wars.

 

Myanmar is a Buddhist-majority nation. The Rohingya are an Islamic minority.

 

Guess who wins that one!

UN officials have described the treatment of the Rohingya in Myanmar as ethnic cleansing, the International Criminal Court opened an investigation into crimes against humanity and the International Court of Justice into genocide [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people ]. In your argumententation, the Rohingya appear as a participant in a religious war (they're not) in an Islamic country (Myanmar is overwhelmingly Buddhist). The overarching narrative of your posts on this thread and the one on the Israeli-Palestine conflict is that 'Islamic sects' are everywhere in a constant state of 'internecine' strife and you have offered Myanmar as an example. That's rubbish. Your arguments blame victims for their own persecution.

 

You can wrap things in as much spaffle you like but my nose is still going to tell me that 'Jemima' came out of the rear end of a horse.  

[cuttsie]

On 07/07/2021 at 18:57, Delbow said:

As the US and UK troops leave, having failed to do much other than prop up a mostly corrupt regime, the Taliban are reasserting control over the country. It's depressing, but not at all suprising - the idea that there is a military solution to situations like that in Afghanistan, particularly that armies of occupation can somehow 'sort it out' by clearly identifying who is Taliban and who isn't (impossible) and then getting rid of all those who are (impossible) seems to persist despite all the evidence to the contrary (see also Iraq, Libya). At least the UK's intervention, such as it was, in Syria was very short-lived. Imagine trying to extricate yourselves from that nightmare. These world 'leaders', the presidents and prime ministers who gladly spend billions of tax dollars on these failures, don't seem to have much up their sleeves, and just keep trying the same old failed strategies again and again. Meanwhile, when they have the opportunity to support something potentially useful, like helping establish an actual secular democracy in the middle east that might help to stabilise the region (i.e. Kurdistan), they look the other way because they 'don't want to upset Turkey' or some nonsense. I'm sure it won't be long before they are trying to persuade us that we need to support their next doomed mission, with the help of Call of Duty-style recruitment garbage aimed at unemployed 16 year olds in the towns they themselves neglected and foisted unemployment on.

Turkey is one of the biggest causes of conflict in all the Countries it surrounds , Why we and the Yanks ignore this is a disgrace full situation .

[Baron99]

1 hour ago, cuttsie said:

Turkey is one of the biggest causes of conflict in all the Countries it surrounds , Why we and the Yanks ignore this is a disgrace full situation .

Simple. Turkey is a NATO ally & we all get to use Incerlik air base to carry out Middle East missions. 

 

Thousands of US personnel based there along with a substantial number of UK personnel. 

Edited July 11, 2021 by Baron99

[trastrick]

Apparently,  world 'leaders', the presidents and prime ministers, Blair and Bush, George H. Bush, Russia, the Bhuddists, not forgetting that old standby, the Jews are all responsible for the terrorism, and ongoing wars between the Islamic sects.

 

A worldview easily understood, when most people's information comes from the Media.

 

BBC:  "The Washington Post faced criticism on Sunday for calling Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State group who had died the day before, an "austere religious scholar".

 

NYT Jan 6, 2020:  "Iran has promised “severe revenge” against the United States for the killing of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani. But what made the high-ranking military leader an American target in the first place? President Trump authorized the attack early Friday at Baghdad International Airport that killed Iran’s top security and intelligence commander, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani".

 

Dalywiredotcom:  "The New York Times ran a piece titled, “Why Iran Is In Mourning,” in which the Times attempted to put the best face on Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, opining of his funeral that there was a “unified national outpouring that is reserved for a small handful of figures in any country, I mean a beloved president, a civil rights leader like Martin Luther King in the United States…”

 

BBC:  "Iran's most powerful military commander, Gen Qasem Soleimani, has been killed by a US air strike in Iraq. The 62-year-old spearheaded Iranian military operations in the Middle East as head of Iran's elite Quds Force. Soleimani was widely seen as the second most powerful figure in Iran, behind the Ayatollah Khamenei. The Quds Force, an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, reported directly to the ayatollah and Soleimani was hailed as a heroic national figure". "The US attack that killed top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani violated international law, a UN expert says".

 

BBC Asked: "Qasem Soleimani: Who was Iran's 'rock star' general?"

 

With that kind of support, no wonder any criticism of the actual participants in these endless wars is considered a blasphemy.

 

And ironically, why it will continue, ad infinitum.

 

Next up, the Chinese, Lol

[The_DADDY]

On 08/07/2021 at 09:12, spilldig said:

That's about the way I see it too DADDY.  It's the same as if some nation invades our country and if we fight  back we are called terrorists and if Afghanistan wasn't bad enough we go and do the same thing in Iraq, twice.

100% Agree 👏

[Carbuncle]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Apparently,  world 'leaders', the presidents and prime ministers, Blair and Bush, George H. Bush, Russia, the Bhuddists, not forgetting that old standby, the Jews are all responsible for the terrorism, and ongoing wars between the Islamic sects.

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< Iran, ... blah, blah, blah, Iran, yada, yada, yada ...>

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Next up, the Chinese, Lol

Have you checked your facts in regards to Iran? Perhaps you should do that now before somebody starts picking holes in your post.

Edited July 11, 2021 by Carbuncle

[trastrick]

Feel free to opine!

 

But no strawdogs aka misquotes, ok?

 

Lol

[cuttsie]

5 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Simple. Turkey is a NATO ally & we all get to use Incerlik air base to carry out Middle East missions. 

 

Thousands of US personnel based there along with a substantial number of UK personnel. 

And the Turks just carry on invading neighboring  Country Inc killing our allies the Kurds .

[Baron99]

On 11/07/2021 at 19:22, cuttsie said:

And the Turks just carry on invading neighboring  Country Inc killing our allies the Kurds .

Yes.  Its a weird world full of behind the scenes international, diplomatic bed-hoping. 

[Janus]

Fighting between the Taliban and Afghan government forces has increased over the past two months as international troops pull out of the country.

The militant group is thought to have captured up to half of all territory.

It has moved swiftly in the wake of the US withdrawal, retaking border crossings and other land in rural areas

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933364