ECCOnoob Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, crookesey said: Being in my 70’s I recall large Neo Gothic Late Victorian properties in Burngreave being occupied by the likes of Northern General doctors and other senior hospital staff back when I was a lad. Never say never where once slum properties suddenly get a second chance, as with many areas of Sheffield a visible police force would be a great help, but don’t hold your breath. I don't agree. Crime has evolved and the police have to evolve with it. People are no longer walking around these days with great wads of cash stuffed into their back pocket ripe for a mugging. Cars are no longer flimsy rust buckets which can be broken into with a bent paperclip and started with a breadstick. Drug deals are no longer done on street corners by shady men in long coats and suspicious handshakes involving transfer of little plastic packets. Assault and physical harm are becoming less likely to be played out in the middle of the street for all to see and far more likely to be happening in the relative quiet of domestic Suburbia behind closed doors. Technology has evolved. We are often described as one of the most surveilled nations on Earth. Even basic domestic dwellings are commonly becoming equipped with with CCTV cameras, connected to smartphones and automatic monitoring. The traditional crimes so to speak are in decline with a significant explosion in the world of hacking, fraud and cybercrime which I would argue deserves more police hours than some 'Bobby on the beat' aimlessly wandering around in case they spot something by chance. All that really ever does it's provide some faux sense of reassurance. I'll be interested to knuckle down the actual practical benefits over other policing methods. Back to the development under discussion, compared to it's predecessor, this block will have have its own security concierges, cameras, lighting, fences, secure entrances.... all of which I would say is far better deterrent then the limited impact of 'visible policing'. Edited July 20, 2021 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloke Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: I don't agree. Crime has evolved and the police have to evolve with it. People are no longer walking around these days with great wads of cash stuffed into their back pocket ripe for a mugging. Cars are no longer flimsy rust buckets which can be broken into with a bent paperclip and started with a breadstick. Drug deals are no longer done on street corners by shady men in long coats and suspicious handshakes involving transfer of little plastic packets. Assault and physical harm are becoming less likely to be played out in the middle of the street for all to see and far more likely to be happening in the relative quiet of domestic Suburbia behind closed doors. Technology has evolved. We are often described as one of the most surveilled nations on Earth. Even basic domestic dwellings are commonly becoming equipped with with CCTV cameras, connected to smartphones and automatic monitoring. The traditional crimes so to speak are in decline with a significant explosion in the world of hacking, fraud and cybercrime which I would argue deserves more police hours than some 'Bobby on the beat' aimlessly wandering around in case they spot something by chance. All that really ever does it's provide some faux sense of reassurance. I'll be interested to knuckle down the actual practical benefits over other policing methods. Back to the development under discussion, compared to it's predecessor, this block will have have its own security concierges, cameras, lighting, fences, secure entrances.... all of which I would say is far better deterrent then the limited impact of 'visible policing'. Hmmm... And so does a prison... ... but I wouldn't want to live in one of those either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, crookesey said: Being in my 70’s I recall large Neo Gothic Late Victorian properties in Burngreave being occupied by the likes of Northern General doctors and other senior hospital staff back when I was a lad. Never say never where once slum properties suddenly get a second chance, as with many areas of Sheffield a visible police force would be a great help, but don’t hold your breath. I have heard Lodgemoor was once considered a very dodgy area to hang around in, now it is one of the more expensive/prestigous areas to live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said: I don't agree. Crime has evolved and the police have to evolve with it. People are no longer walking around these days with great wads of cash stuffed into their back pocket ripe for a mugging. Cars are no longer flimsy rust buckets which can be broken into with a bent paperclip and started with a breadstick. Drug deals are no longer done on street corners by shady men in long coats and suspicious handshakes involving transfer of little plastic packets. Assault and physical harm are becoming less likely to be played out in the middle of the street for all to see and far more likely to be happening in the relative quiet of domestic Suburbia behind closed doors. Technology has evolved. We are often described as one of the most surveilled nations on Earth. Even basic domestic dwellings are commonly becoming equipped with with CCTV cameras, connected to smartphones and automatic monitoring. The traditional crimes so to speak are in decline with a significant explosion in the world of hacking, fraud and cybercrime which I would argue deserves more police hours than some 'Bobby on the beat' aimlessly wandering around in case they spot something by chance. All that really ever does it's provide some faux sense of reassurance. I'll be interested to knuckle down the actual practical benefits over other policing methods. Back to the development under discussion, compared to it's predecessor, this block will have have its own security concierges, cameras, lighting, fences, secure entrances.... all of which I would say is far better deterrent then the limited impact of 'visible policing'. Well that’s quite a monologue against visible policing, I obviously don’t agree with you, such is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron99 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Surely the question of a flat on the Park Hill estate, (is it still called thst?), wouldn't be taking place if SCC didn't allow an enormous council housing asset to fall into rack & ruin in the first place, roughly within 30 years of being built? Even in the early 1980's the estate appeared to be thriving, being occupied by families, school on the doorstep, local shops, pub, (was it called 'The Target'?), then I seem to recall in The Star at the time, SCC having a plan to move 'problem' families & individuals on to the estate, in the belief that they will not would change their behaviour, being placed amongs the long term residents. Of course, time has told that this didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, ECCOnoob said: I don't agree. Crime has evolved and the police have to evolve with it. People are no longer walking around these days with great wads of cash stuffed into their back pocket ripe for a mugging. Cars are no longer flimsy rust buckets which can be broken into with a bent paperclip and started with a breadstick. Drug deals are no longer done on street corners by shady men in long coats and suspicious handshakes involving transfer of little plastic packets. Assault and physical harm are becoming less likely to be played out in the middle of the street for all to see and far more likely to be happening in the relative quiet of domestic Suburbia behind closed doors. Technology has evolved. We are often described as one of the most surveilled nations on Earth. Even basic domestic dwellings are commonly becoming equipped with with CCTV cameras, connected to smartphones and automatic monitoring. The traditional crimes so to speak are in decline with a significant explosion in the world of hacking, fraud and cybercrime which I would argue deserves more police hours than some 'Bobby on the beat' aimlessly wandering around in case they spot something by chance. All that really ever does it's provide some faux sense of reassurance. I'll be interested to knuckle down the actual practical benefits over other policing methods. Back to the development under discussion, compared to it's predecessor, this block will have have its own security concierges, cameras, lighting, fences, secure entrances.... all of which I would say is far better deterrent then the limited impact of 'visible policing'. the old park hill flats had a police station on site, it made very little difference, I was a regular in the Zodiac (coffee Bar) in the fifties. Would I buy one of the flats, not on your nelly, Edited July 21, 2021 by kidley updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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