crookesey Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Anna B said: Procurement is a big problem. A set of process cards (used in rehabilitation) cost NHS £48 per set. I bought an identical set for £3.99 from an online company. And we've all heard of the extortionate prices charged for PPI during the pandemic... Overcharging for goods and services is rife in the NHS, they really are seen as a cash cow. Who is responsible for these outdated contracts that tie down the NHS, and why don't they contain a release clause/time limit? So not quite the 95K/120K that I was quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab6262 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said: Like everyone else it depends on how long before they become tax payers. get a grip!!! 99% will never pay tax they will become our burden adding to the lot we already have dragging this country deeper into the financial mire! we have more than enough already costing billions. 10 minutes ago, crookesey said: So not quite the 95K/120K that I was quoted. i think the lower figures refer to ist year grads, an established gp or nhs doc is around 95k 30 minutes ago, Anna B said: Procurement is a big problem. A set of process cards (used in rehabilitation) cost NHS £48 per set. I bought an identical set for £3.99 from an online company. And we've all heard of the extortionate prices charged for PPI during the pandemic... Overcharging for goods and services is rife in the NHS, they really are seen as a cash cow. Who is responsible for these outdated contracts that tie down the NHS, and why don't they contain a release clause/time limit? yes that is the bigger problem greedy fingers and a trail of buying 3rd or 4th hand instead of direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ab6262 said: get a grip!!! 99% will never pay tax they will become our burden adding to the lot we already have dragging this country deeper into the financial mire! we have more than enough already costing billions. i think the lower figures refer to ist year grads, an established gp or nhs doc is around 95k yes that is the bigger problem greedy fingers and a trail of buying 3rd or 4th hand instead of direct. I can’t recall asking for salary details of ‘ an established gp or nhs doc’. Edited September 10, 2021 by crookesey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, ab6262 said: get a grip!!! 99% will never pay tax they will become our burden adding to the lot we already have dragging this country deeper into the financial mire! we have more than enough already costing billions. Still making wildly inaccurate guesses in order to promote a political view. History tells us different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, crookesey said: I can’ recall asking for salary details of ‘ an established gp or nhs doc’. Hi just googled your question out of curiosity. These are the figures: Pay for doctors | Health Careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, ab6262 said: get a grip!!! 99% will never pay tax they will become our burden adding to the lot we already have dragging this country deeper into the financial mire! we have more than enough already costing billions. Any proof of that? Plenty of stories on how they train to become doctors etc. If they're successful in seeking asylum and are given permission to stay they'll want to crack on like everyone else. Most will have greater ambition for than working cash in hand at a car wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: Any proof of that? Plenty of stories on how they train to become doctors etc. If they're successful in seeking asylum and are given permission to stay they'll want to crack on like everyone else. Most will have greater ambition for than working cash in hand at a car wash. It would be interesting to see what jobs they do percentage wise., You quote training to be doctors but what percentage do and were they qualified as doctors or had the relevant qualifications to train before coming here. Presumably you are not referring to illegal immigrants. Edited September 11, 2021 by harvey19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Has anyone proposed an alternative plan to raise more funds than what the Government is going to do? Angela Rayner was on the Today programme this morning saying how awful the increase to NI is but provided zero alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, the_bloke said: Has anyone proposed an alternative plan to raise more funds than what the Government is going to do? Angela Rayner was on the Today programme this morning saying how awful the increase to NI is but provided zero alternatives. What about this? Labour's fully costed plan in 2019 for a National Care Service. Probably needs a bit of tweaking, but I bet most people had never even heard it existed which is interesting in itself. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/12703_19-Towards-the-National-Care-Service.pdf Edited September 13, 2021 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffbag Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 09/09/2021 at 19:24, Anna B said: This Social care plan, https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/12703_19-Towards-the-National-Care-Service.pdf Fully costed and ready to go in 2019 while Boris was lying his head off and whittering about Brexit in order to win an election. In any discussion about Social Care, how can this alternative idea be classed as 'an irrelevance.' Especially when people are questioning the entire current system as not fit for purpose. It's so 'irrelevant' that it is being taken up by the SNP as a way forward for Scotland who may well adopt it. On 09/09/2021 at 23:49, sheffbag said: Is this the one that labour ditched last year due to being in feasible cost wise? considering this is originally the one touted in 2010 it’s not ‘jeremys plan’ is it. it’s an irrelevance because a) Corbyn is a single independent mp with no party backing so his opinion is worth 0.16% within the realms of HOP voting. He is no more important than Martin Bell used to be b) The Labour Party have ditched this plan as it would cost way too much to implement I can’t see the costing for this in the plan. How much would it cost a year 1 hour ago, Anna B said: What about this? Labour's fully costed plan in 2019 for a National Care Service. Probably needs a bit of tweaking, but I bet most people had never even heard it existed which is interesting in itself. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/12703_19-Towards-the-National-Care-Service.pdf isnt that the same one that i replied to back on page 14 and you didnt comment on it so again. She didnt comment on it as Labour have ditched the plan and where's the costing for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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