New Road Needed To City Centre

[Rockers rule]

7 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Because it's the single most important part of your post.

 

Nobody is suggesting every journey is by something other than car, or that every person travels by something other than car, only that some people, for some of their journeys use something other than a car,

 

The reduction in car volumes would improve traffic flow, and therefore is a very viable suggestion, and in fact is the most viable suggestion.

 

It really isn't that hard to grasp, is it.

 

Neither is you are still not offering a viable alternative.

Edited September 22, 2021 by Rockers rule
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[Bargepole23]

Just now, Rockers rule said:

Neither is you are still offering a viable alternative.

Sorry, don't understand that sentence.

[Rockers rule]

1 hour ago, Andy C said:

We already have the outer ring road from Meadowhead roundabout that is dual carriageway from where you can drop into the City Centre via City Road or the Parkway. These big roads are busy and congested. Meadowhead roundabout is also problematic with the volume of traffic.

 

To upgrade the road via Woodseats would require either this district shopping centre to be flattened or at least parking banned! Even if this did happen there would still be a bottleneck at Heeley. Abbeydale Road couldn't be upgraded without miles of housing and businesses being flattened.

 

Frankly there is little left that can be done to upgrade the roads capacity and nowhere to put new roads!

 

The worst time for traffic seems to be school run time, is there anything the schools can do to fix that?

 

The solution has to be to reduce the volume of traffic by getting more people to use public transport where that is a viable option.  It needs to be attractive to achieve that including reliable quick journeys. The trains from Dore & Totley and Dronfield stations easily achieve that, for buses to do the same bus lanes need to be present on all the bus roads and in operation (and enforced) all day. Park & Ride is perhaps something we need - the car park at Dronfield unfortunately isn't big enough and pre-covid Dore & Totley's was getting full - however there is also the issue of the train service being too infrequent. Is there potential for a bus users car park near Meadowhead? Or perhaps a tram extension from Herdings Park to a new car park somewhere around Norton?

The first part of your post is much the same as my ramblings.

Enticing people into using Public Transport, cheaper fares, free for the elderly would be a start.

At least you haven't skirted around the problems of reliability, infrequency or the inadequacy's of parking facility's at some 'Park and Ride' railway stations.

The Railway idea is interesting. Off Peak much cheaper fares would be a start yet again unfortunately all the minor railway stations Heeley B'tm being a prime example have been shut for years and to re-open them would be near on impossible.

Perhaps a temporary Park and ride (and cheaper fares) as you suggest at Meadowhead/ Norton for a trial period ?

And again you mention Covid. The giant spanner in the works for community travel.

 

Keep safe.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, Rockers rule said:

Neither is you are still not offering a viable alternative.

What's unviable about more people walking to a bus stop and catching a bus into town? In a lot of cases it comes down to "can't be bothered ". In which case, sit in your traffic jams and stop whining about traffic. You are the traffic. You are also slowing down those who have no realistic other option. 

[Rockers rule]

20 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's unviable about more people walking to a bus stop and catching a bus into town? In a lot of cases it comes down to "can't be bothered ". In which case, sit in your traffic jams and stop whining about traffic. You are the traffic. You are also slowing down those who have no realistic other option. 

Not applicable.

We moved out of Sheff in 89.

Enjoy your gridlocks 

 

[Mr Bloke]

23 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's unviable about more people walking to a bus stop and catching a bus into town? In a lot of cases it comes down to "can't be bothered ". In which case, sit in your traffic jams and stop whining about traffic. You are the traffic. You are also slowing down those who have no realistic other option. 

Hmmm...

OK... so who decides which people 'have no realistic other option'?

 

Everyone is obviously going to come up with some reason why they are a special case, so how will this be enforced?

 

And you seem to think that a 'reduction in car volumes would improve traffic flow'.

 

Surely improved traffic flow would encourage even more people to use their car?

 

Obviously you need to have a bit of a re-think about what is unviable about your suggestion...

 

It shouldn't be that hard to grasp, should it?

[Rockers rule]

You sure this is the right bus to lowedges Mabel.

 

 

[Bargepole23]

29 minutes ago, Mr Bloke said:

Hmmm...

OK... so who decides which people 'have no realistic other option'?

 

Everyone is obviously going to come up with some reason why they are a special case, so how will this be enforced?

 

And you seem to think that a 'reduction in car volumes would improve traffic flow'.

 

Surely improved traffic flow would encourage even more people to use their car?

 

Obviously you need to have a bit of a re-think about what is unviable about your suggestion...

 

It shouldn't be that hard to grasp, should it?

Where has anybody suggesting enforcement? It's called social responsibility, where people decide for themselves. You might not have any but try not to judge others by your own standards.

 

Clearly, less cars on the road, things move better. Happens already, happening right now with reduction in cars due to WFH.

 

Whether they then decide to get back in their cars, is up to them. But it's just a bus journey, or a walk, or a bike ride. Nothing difficult for a lot of people.

 

Graspable?

[Mr Bloke]

12 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Where has anybody suggesting enforcement? It's called social responsibility, where people decide for themselves. You might not have any but try not to judge others by your own standards.

 

Clearly, less cars on the road, things move better. Happens already, happening right now with reduction in cars due to WFH.

 

Whether they then decide to get back in their cars, is up to them. But it's just a bus journey, or a walk, or a bike ride. Nothing difficult for a lot of people.

 

Graspable?

Hmmm...

... so your idea like many on here is just a load of hot air.

 

People are already deciding for themselves, and they're choosing to use their cars!

 

And you lose what little credibility you may have had the moment you try to judge others standards of 'social responsibility' without having the remotest knowledge of what you're talking about...

[Longcol]

10 hours ago, Tony said:

Agreed, and if I could add that this is entirely in the council's gift to;

1. Stagger school-day start and finish times,
2. Stagger term start / end dates,
3. Create and enforce no-drive zones around schools at the start and end of the day. 

A genuinely creative council might even have schools operating seven days a week. 

 

They would also ensure that every school had a walk / cycle policy with facilities on the premises to encourage it while implementing policies and traffic control measures that make it as inconvenient as possible for kids to be driven to school.

It isn't in the councils gift to stagger working hours for parents - nor conjure up resources for no drive zones, seven day operation etc

 

Can the council make academy schools change start times, term time etc?

Edited September 22, 2021 by Longcol