Panic Buying At Petrol Stations?

[L00b]

47 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

The electorate voted to leave the EU. Parliament voted to set the wheels in motion to withdraw and started the clock. Parliament agreed the terms and we left as agreed by both sides of the house.   Now companies, suppliers, manufacturers, diatributors have known we were leaving for 2 years on top of an already well established dwindling number of HGV drivers well before brexit even came into force have some responsibility.....

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Companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors had known the UK was leaving for much longer than 2 years. Technically, they’d known (should have known) from the day Theresa May deposited the Art.50 notice in March 2017, because that was the no-return event.

But companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors did not know how the UK was leaving, until the TCA was signed just before Christmas 2020, entering into force a week later later on 01/01/21.
 

Until then, all they’d known for sure, was the Withdrawal Agreement started on 01/02/20 to govern the transition period until year end, and which effectively kept everything as it had been under EU membership.

 

Less rewriting of history, please. Some of us are keeping notes.

 

After that, some companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors had planned for worst (no deal Brexit), others hadn’t. The EU notices to stakeholders were bureaucratically exacting, but the British government messaging was filtering heavily, with ‘nothing will change’ PR whilst negotiating everything in secret without consultations.

 

And then some of the planning companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors decided to implement the plans early (as in, earlier than Xmas or New Year’s Eve 2020), others didn’t. That was a business call down to situational awareness, resourcing and attitude to risk, in each case.
 

And then you can be sure that very few, amongst even the small subset of forward-planning ones, saw Covid coming.
 

I wonder how many are risk-planning the UK supply logjam that is currently rippling up the chains globally, towards the sources.

Edited October 5, 2021 by L00b

[PRESLEY]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

It's a fact that as a consequence of media scaremongering too many motorists bought more petrol and diesel than they normally do which resulted in petrol stations needing more deliveries than they normally need in a week which meant there was a temporary situation where the supply of fuel at petrol stations was lower than the demand for fuel at petrol stations.  Everything is back to normal now because the demand for fuel at petrol stations is lower than the supply of fuel at petrol stations.  Nothing at all to do with trees in a forest but everything to do with the law of supply and demand.

I agree and am aware of the panic buying caused by the media but Boris doesn't have clean hands infact his fingers are in most of the country problem pies.

[Delbow]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors had known the UK was leaving for much longer than 2 years. Technically, they’d known (should have known) from the day Theresa May deposited the Art.50 notice in March 2017, because that was the no-return event.

But companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors did not know how the UK was leaving, until the TCA was signed just before Christmas 2020, entering into force a week later later on 01/01/21.
 

Until then, all they’d known for sure, was the Withdrawal Agreement started on 01/02/20 to govern the transition period until year end, and which effectively kept everything as it had been under EU membership.

 

Less rewriting of history, please. Some of us are keeping notes.

 

After that, some companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors had planned for worst (no deal Brexit), others hadn’t. The EU notices to stakeholders were bureaucratically exacting, but the British government messaging was filtering heavily, with ‘nothing will change’ PR whilst negotiating everything in secret without consultations.

 

And then some of the planning companies, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors decided to implement the plans early (as in, earlier than Xmas or New Year’s Eve 2020), others didn’t. That was a business call down to situational awareness, resourcing and attitude to risk, in each case.
 

And then you can be sure that very few, amongst even the small subset of forward-planning ones, saw Covid coming.
 

I wonder how many are risk-planning the UK supply logjam that is currently rippling up the chains globally, towards the sources.

This is a big part of the problem. Someone left it until the last minute to iron out the details. Let's play 'Guess Who'. Does your person have 6 children by as many mothers?

[Jeffrey Shaw]

If it were a UK-only problem, though, how come Poland has a far larger shortage of HGV drivers?

Weren't we given the impression that they were all over here?

[ECCOnoob]

5 hours ago, Delbow said:

This is a big part of the problem. Someone left it until the last minute to iron out the details. Let's play 'Guess Who'. Does your person have 6 children by as many mothers?

No, someone did not leave it to the last minute to iron out the details  -  it was a long,  difficult and constantly thwarted negotiation. That included teams of people, cross party debate, cross party voting, and reams of paperwork.  That's before we get onto the numerous disruption, protest, legal challenges and barriers from outside Parliament.  Grow up and realise that Brexit is not down to one man. 

 

That still doesn't negate the fact that as soon as the clock started running sensible organisations began to prepare. Goodness sake there's been certainly enough publicity about it and every single law firm, advisory firm, consultant firm, accountancy firm has been banging on about brexit and doing their numerous advices, strategy notes, guidance notes for months on end leading up to it. 

 

A shortfall in drivers has been on the cards for years before brexit start both in Europe and here.  Lets not make out they were caught on the hop.

Edited October 5, 2021 by ECCOnoob

[L00b]

4 hours ago, Delbow said:

This is a big part of the problem. Someone left it until the last minute to iron out the details. Let's play 'Guess Who'. Does your person have 6 children by as many mothers?

I disagree (mildly).

Too many left it until the last minute, for a wide variety of reasons.
 

I know loads personally, worked with some before brexoding, and have been working with others since. Mostly, at the lower scale of the corporate world, it was a misplaced belief that “it could never get that bad”, that the government would “sort things out”.
 

They’ve learned better since, and many have offshored the exporting side of their business on the Continent. 

[whiteowl]

Back on topic, I went to Morrisons at Catcliffe this morning and there was only one car in the garage.

 

Hopefully, normality has returned.

[rudds1]

31 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

Back on topic, I went to Morrisons at Catcliffe this morning and there was only one car in the garage.

 

Hopefully, normality has returned.

Was lots of queues round London for petrol yesterday but nowhere near as bad as what they were. 

[tinfoilhat]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

No foreign HGV tanker drivers required.  National sales of petrol and diesel with be down on last week now the panic buying has stopped.

That's good you think that because only 27 applied. Also, that means we don't need the army doing it either?

[tinfoilhat]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

It makes common sense to bring the army in to drive petrol tankers to help with temporary problems caused by the media that resulted in panic buying rather than grant work visas to foreign HGV drivers who would arrive too late to  help with a temporary problem.  

Is it a temporary problem?